This time it's from Ahab over at
Call Me Ahab.
So I'm reading this article in Boston online about what a clusterfuck it is to get a carry permit; and I was wondering if you could shed some light on the laws surrounding that.
I'm working up a post on why pre-emption and "may-issue" sucks so hard, but since I don't live in Mass. I'm not that familiar with your silly-assed gun laws.
"Silly-assed" is being charitable, Ahab...
Anyhoo, because
a) I'm always hard up for good blog fodder; and
b) I'm a lazy sumbitch at heart and couldn't bear the thought of not milking my keystrokes for all they're worth,
I'll reproduce my response here...
Let me start with a brief primer. There are three basic flavors of gun permits in MA:
1. FID: This allows you to purchase and own non-high capacity long arms (i.e. not AR-15s) and shotguns. This is "shall-issue", meaning that unless you are a Federally prohibited person, you get the permit.
2. LTC Class B: This is the non-high capacity permit. You can own high-capacity long arms but not high capacity handguns. It's especially useless given that MA extended the AWB (no new magazines > 10 rounds). This permit is "may-issue", left to the discretion of the local chief of police. It does NOT allow concealed carry.
3. LTC Class A: This is the high-capacity permit. This is the only permit which allows concealed carry. This permit is also "may issue" at the discretion of the local CoP, and has an extra twist: The chief may impose restrictions upon the carry requirement, such as work only, target and hunting only (i.e. no CCW), or unrestricted (technically, according to my license, it's "Restrictions: None"). A Class A LTC is the ONLY license that allows concealed carry.
There are some 350+ cities and towns in the Commonwealth of MA. I suspect there are about as many horror stories.
Bruce (
No Looking Backwards) went through a ton of crap to get a restricted permit in a suburb of Boston. He waited > 100 days to get a restricted permit that allowed him to own and transport a gun, but not to carry it for self-defense.
Me, I've had a carry permit since the early 1990s. My dad's a retired MA state cop and my grandfather, whose passing spawned my getting the vast bulk of my gun collection, was a town cop for over 40 years. I grew up around guns, in a town that's pretty reasonable about permits. They will give out "unrestricted" licenses, although they give a restricted your first time around. I got an FID when I turned 15, so I had a non-carry permit for 8 years before I got my license to carry (I got my Class A when my grandfather passed away, as he gave me several handguns, for which the Class A/B was needed).
Even in a somewhat reasonable town I needed to take a Firearms Safety Course, complete with target requirement (side note: I scored the highest in the class; I LOVE the S&W Model 41). I needed two or three letters of recommendation from non-family members.
And this is on the lesser end of requirements - Bruce had to join a gun club and take his shooting test in Boston proper, at the same range the Boston PD uses. Other cities require a doctor's note. Some require the safety course and range qualifications be repeated for RENEWALS.
And other towns don't require anything other than the safety course for first time applicants and they'll give an unrestricted license.
It's completely capricious and arbitrary depending on the whim and demeanor of the chief of police. Some are reasonable. Some are imperialistic pricks.
There was even one town (Carver, MA) where the chief of police declared that she was not going to issue *ANY* permits - this was in the wake of the Columbine shootings - INCLUDING renewals (she was basically run out of town on a rail the next election...)
Oh, and did I mention that you can't own as much as a single ammunition component (like brass casings) without a permit? In other words, you lose your permit, you lose your guns. Period. So, in the town of Carver, any gun owner whose permit expired had to sell all their guns, move, or become a felon. All because the chief got a hair up her @$$ about firearms.
Check out
Northeastshooters forum - there's a link on my blog (see: Derek under "Bloggers I've Met"). Lots and lots of good quality info.
Hope this helps!
So, in a nutshell, there's how MA gun permits shake out. Logic and reason play no part; luck, geography, and connections weigh heavily...
That is all.
UPDATE:
T-Bolt asks about cost and renewal info. Good question. Cost for all permits is $100, although some cities and towns add as much as $40 - illegally, mind you, although there's no penalty for those that do. Permits expire on your birthday and expire on the 5
th birthday after renewal. What some towns (like mine) do is overlap +1 week so that you get ~ 6 years - so if your permit expires on 01/01/2010, your town renews on 01/08/10 so that your next permit needs to be renewed on 01/01/2016.
It's confusing, but welcome to MA. Leave the Constitution at the state line.