Here's the request:
Hi Jay,
I've been a reader of your blog for a little while now (year? year and a half?). I think I may have come via Bruce in NH (just before he moved there). Love the site. Especially entertaining are your um... commutes to work. Being a lifelong MA resident, I can totally relate! My blood pressure rises just thinking about the landscaper trailers....
I just picked up my LTC-A from the [Name of MA town redacted] Police this morning, and I'm trying to decide what to buy for my first gun. I did a little bit of shooting as a kid. Dad was an Aux. Cop in my hometown and I followed my skeet shooting friend around a lot in high school. I'm (sort of) coming back to shooting in my middle age; much to my wife's chagrin. I've read that that the first gun to buy is a pump action shot gun. It's great from home defense and maybe I can use it to shoot at cute flying things. I've also heard that that the Remington 870 and the Mossberg 500 are the ones to look at. I guess they're fairly inexpensive and are reliable? Any preferences, advice, or other suggestions? I'm looking to spend in the $300 range.
Eventually, I'd also like to get a 22 rifle to slowly bring my wife (and daughter who would jump at it) into shooting. Oh crap! Here we go... Gun Acquisition Syndrome (GAS)! My wife is still probably sore at me for my old GAS (Guitar Acquisition Syndrome).Anyway, I would appreciate any help you could give me.
Thanks,
Sean [redacted] (also stuck in MA, and a lapsed Star Trek (and sci fi) geek)
Ah. The age-old "What should I get for my first gun?" question. I love it.
Here's my (rather long-winded) response:
Good morning Sean,
And thanks for reading MArooned, and writing to me!
Let's see... I hope you've got a comfy chair, because "What should I get for my first gun" is one of my very favorite thought questions...
IMHO, there are three guns every gunowner simply must have: A home defense shotgun, a sturdy pistol, and a .22LR rifle. You've asked for guidance on two out of three; I'll toss in the third for free. :)
For a shotgun, there's really two main players in the game: The Mossberg 500, and the Remington 870. The good news is that both are available new for around $300. The even better news is that they're available used for even less, and it's quite difficult to break a pump-action shotgun. My advice here would be to look around for a used Rem 870 around the $200-$250 mark. Four Seasons in Woburn has the 870 HD version (extended mag tube) for something like $330 (new), so keep that in mind. Look for a shorter barrel (18-20") and that's all you need out the door. Goodies like extended magazine tubes and folding/telescoping stocks can be purchased on the aftermarket.
As for alternates, there's a wide world of shotguns out there. For home defense, I'm a big fan of the pump-action - it's reliable, doesn't require a lot of maintenance, and doesn't run afoul of the Assault Weapons Ban if you put on an extended magazine tube or folding/telescoping stock. There's a lot of shotties out there, like old JC Higgings, Stevens, Ithaca Arms, as well as new imports from Turkey, China, and Russia; however the Remington and Mossbergs are so cheap even brand new that I just don't see a reason to buy an off-brand or out-of-business brand. Stick with the 500 or the 870 and you'll do well.
For the .22LR rifle, I'll refer you to my post earlier this week where I endorse the Ruger 10/22. I've seen these going, brand new, for under $200 from Bass Pro or Dick's Sporting Goods. Used isn't a heckuva lot cheaper as a rule, although you're likely to find one with a scope, sling, extra magazines, etc. on the used market. Magazines run between $15 and $20 on sale (for factory 10-round magazines); if you want more than 10-round capacity, though, you'll need the magazines to be "pre-ban", meaning made before the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 was enacted. It's stupid, but it's the law.
Alternates would be a Marlin Model 60, which I've seen on sale for around $125 NEW @ Bass Pro, or a Henry lever-action (~$250 new) if you've got a hankerin' to let your inner cowboy roam the range on a plinkin' budget... There's also fine lever-action .22s available from Mossberg and Marlin; and pump-action rifles from Remington and Rossi. No, the alliteration isn't part of the business, it just seems that way... :)
The third gun, a sturdy pistol, is very well represented by something like a Smith & Wesson 686 or 620. They're stainless (easier to care for), built for the long haul, and can handle hot .357 Magnum loads for defense or light .38 special rounds for plinking. Get one with a 4" barrel and you can carry it if you need to (although it's really too heavy and bulky for much carrying, especially in MA where you really want it hidden!). The 686 (full lug under the barrel) is available as a 6- or 7- shot model; the 620 (ejector shroud only) comes as a 7 shot.
Worthy alternates here are the Ruger GP-100 or Security Six. There's also the S&W model 19, if you can find one; there's the Colt Python if you've got a grand and a half to spend (and worth every penny); after that the choices fall off dramatically. What comes into play here is the stupid Approved Firearms Roster {spit} which limits what you can buy from a dealer - IOW, you can't get a $150 Charter Arms revolver or a $250 Taurus S&W knock-off.
I think that's it in a nutshell; I'd be happy to expound on any of the above points if you'd like. Also, if you don't mind I'd like to post this at MArooned - I'm SURE that folks will have plenty to say and offer their own words of wisdom. Obviously I won't use your last name or town. Let me know if this is okay with you.
Best regards,
Jay G.
MArooned
So there are my recommendations in a nutshell. If pushed to limit it to only one gun, I'd offer the .357 Magnum revolver as the "must-have". While I prefer a shotgun for home defense, it's not a plinking or recreational gun by any means. And the 10/22, while much fun at the range and very economical to shoot, is a less-than-optimal poor home defense weapon. The .357 Magnum revolver offers plenty of stopping power with the full-bore .357 Magnum loads while also being more than capable of fun days at the range with low-powered .38 Special rounds.
So what did I forget?
That is all.
7 comments:
Good post, but if the guy wants to get back into skeet, he's going to need at least a 24" barrel. I shoot weekly at Riverside, and I know that they do not allow barrel lengths under 24" onto the skeet or trap field. Riverside is not the exception to the rule. Unfortunately, this does not make the gun as efficient in home defense situations.
Its hard to have a dual purpose shotgun, but I think the afore mentioned Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/535 (if he wants to shoot 3.5" magnums) with a 26 or 28 inch barrel would be the way to go.
Dick's has a running special on a a Mossberg 535 with a standard barrel, a slug barrel, and a red dot scope for 289, which is very very very hard to beat.
I wonder if there's a dealer in the area that would be able to "bundle" a deal together where he could satisfy all the needs you mentioned for a bargain type price or is there a one gun a month rule in Mass.yet ? Also, do dealers in Mass. have any kind of layaway policies? God I love gun shop layaway policies!
Adam,
I already counseled Sean on trap and what he'd need - at the very least, a longer barrel that can accept different chokes. Ideally, he's best served getting two separate guns - once you add on the extended mag tube, custom foregrip, etc. it gets harder and harder to just swap out the barrel.
Not to mention that a barrel is going to run $100 - $150 or so, which is only slightly less than a used HD gun anyways! Better to buy a dedicated trap gun new and a HD gun used...
angus,
Ordinarily, I'd say that you could probably arrange something with a dealer; however in recent times, with the Obamessiah coronation nearing upon us and WASR-10s fetching $700 freaking dollars on Gunbroker, I'd say the willingness of a dealer to cut a deal right now is mighty low...
There's no one-gun-a-month rule in MA - YET. Deval Patrick has been pushing for one, but so far we've been able to hold the line.
I'm **REALLY** hoping such a measure doesn't pass - if it does, I've sworn to actually go out and BUY one gun a month in protest. And that will get me in a world of shit with Mrs. G...
Good advice, Jay. I find it amusing that I have most of your recommendations sitting in the gun safe right now... No 870, but that's because I've got the 500 with two barrels and a Knoxx Technologies SpecOps compensating stock. :-)
$1500 for a Python, huh? Better tell Richie Callaghan of Callaghan's Firearms quick - the 6" Python (in either stainless or nickel, not sure which) in his display case is only sporting a tag of $1350 or so. Didn't look too closely as I am not a Colt fan - their grips are too big for Dwarf-sized paws.
Thanks for the advice guys. I've got a lot to learn.
I just got back from a local gun store where they had a used Mossberg 500 with a 28in barrel and 24 inch slug barrel for $250. Can't screw in any chokes on it though (not sure if that matters so much). That deal from Dick's sounds interesting. The nearest Dick's to me is Worcester - hadn't noticed any guns there; but I haven't looked too hard either.
Adam - Riverside in Hudson? I go by there most mornings on my way to work.
Mossberg used to offer the Persuader Combo (might still)that came with a 18" and 26" barrel along with a full stock and pistol grip all in a nice little soft gun case. I got mine about 15 years ago for the tune of $195.
Brass
Overall your choices are sound and very well thought out. Guns are tools. Tools can be optimized for a specific job at the loss of doing other jobs or be a general function tool that can do many jobs, just not perfectly.
That is what is fun about getting more tools.
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