Wednesday, September 2, 2009

New... Wheels?

Mrs. G. has decided she wants a new car. Her Accord still runs fine, but it's starting to hit the point where everything needs replacing - brakes, timing belt, exhaust, shocks, etc. There's no one thing significantly wrong with the car, it's just that every few months something wears out and has to be replaced, putting the car out of service for a couple days or so. More of an annoyance than anything, but enough to get us to start thinking about a replacement.

Oh, yeah, and the fact that it smells like ten year old Cheerios doesn't help the "keep it around" argument, either...

She wants a Honda Pilot in the worst way. It's got four wheel drive, so it's good for New England winters. It has three rows of seats, so we can easily separate the children when they're being disagreeable or if they each want to bring a friend somewhere. It's a Honda, so we know we'll get another ten years out of it. I think I've managed to talk her out of the EX-L model and into the LX, which means we lose the sunroof but wind up with a price we can afford.

I'd like her to look at other options, though - I'd like to look at the Toyota Highlander as a less-expensive option that has the option of a hybrid engine or a four cylinder rather than only the six cylinder. About the only other SUV I'd consider would be the four door Wrangler, except that doesn't have the third row seat. I'd have to get the half-doors and take the roof off in the summer so we could have a modern-day VW Thing, but I digress...

Even though I drive a Ram, I have less-than-zero interest in getting a Dodge SUV. The Durango's too big (and the same price as the Pilot); the rest of Dodge's offerings are too small and/or chintzy to be considered. GM is right out, as I don't trust them to last the year. Ford, well, all they really offer is the Flex, which doesn't interest me, or the Freestyle Taurus X, which is so bland and blah and typical blue oval that I feel ill even mentioning it (and that STOOPID "Taurus X" name = made of fail...)

There's no other offering I can think of that might do what we want - Subaru Tribeca? Mazda CX-9? Hyundai Veracruz? In a word, no. Sure, the BMW X5 is a really nice ride, but I can't afford the sales tax on it, let alone monthly payments. Ditto the Mercedes M-class (or, dream of dreams, the G class...). It's really the Honda or the Toyota, and I've had a pretty bad experience dealing with Toyota Motor Corporation already...

Now it's a matter of the waiting game - in another month or two, once the dealerships come down off their "cash for clunkers" high and realize that, oh shit, they're not going to move any new cars for MONTHS, there might be some deals to be had.

That is all.

25 comments:

pdb said...

Do have a look at the Kia Sorento. Unlike the others mentioned, it's an honest to god body-on-frame truck with a good, grunty engine and tons of space for not a lot of money.

Anonymous said...

Saturn outlook??

I like the handling in the snow

Seats 8(7 w captians)

but saturn was sold off receintly

b

New Jovian Thunderbolt said...

I'm in a similar boat. IF I had to swap out the 2001 Durango, there is nothing out there that appeals as a replacement. I'm picturing 4-door F150s as the only comparable right now.

No Japanese cars. No offense to the land of delicious sushi, but if you machinegun my Grandpa dead I just don't get big ticket items from you if I can help it. Be happy I enjoyed watching Speed Racer and Ultraman and leave it at that.

EmmaPeel said...

I know you don't want to consider a GM but the Saturn Vue gets incredible gas mileage and everyone I know that has one loves it. Not sure the snow issue though. Alabama shuts down if there are flurries forecast.

Oh, and before I'd consider a new vehicle of any kind, consider what it really costs you. You can repair a hell of a lot of things for that new monthly car payment. But, you do have to remember I drive a 20 year old Dodge D350 dually every day to work and school and the banks. Me hates car payments. If we can't pay cash, we don't.

Anonymous said...

I'm with EmmaPeel car or truck payments are like handcuffs. Plan the repairs needed ahead time so down time is short.

See Ya

RW said...

My dad owns two Kias and they are fantastic vehicles. There was a day when the word "Kia" was synonymous with "Yugo", but no more. The minivan, Sedona, could be the best value in the automotive market today. He hasn't had the Sportage long enough to comment on its durability.

RW said...

BTW, third what Emmapeel said. I just plopped down $480 to do some more repairs on my '95 Legend & need to spend more to get new tires (I know a guy, so it'll be around 4250), but in reality that'll be equal to half a year's worth of car payments. I go tomorrow to plunk down $300 to fix a mirror (yes, a freaking mirror) on my wife's Expedition, but I do stuff like that because it's MUCH CHEAPER do do repairs.

RW, no car payments since '00.

RW said...

Ahem. $250, not 4250. Not getting solid gold rims.

Jay G said...

Believe me, I'd rather hold onto the Accord until pieces started falling off of it.

The problem is, she's undergoing an aggressive campaign of active neglect of the car - like forgetting to tell me it has needed an oil change for 3 months.

Mama wants a new car. Ain't no two ways about it...

She's also pretty well set on the Pilot, but I think I can at least get her to look at some of the other SUVs. We're going to have to bring the kids along, which may limit the testing; however it'll also give us an idea of how separated they'll be...

TOTWTYTR said...

Toyota Highlander. It's better optioned for less than the Pilot. It's as, or more durable. It has the third row seat option.

As nice as Hondas are, I've always felt that they are a bit spendy for what you get.

My only advice is if you are going to get the AWD option, get it with the V6. Mrs. TOTWTYTR, no speed demon, wouldn't even consider a 2WD OR L4 engine when we went shopping to replace her RAV4.

I even enjoy driving that car as much of a truck guy that I am.

Jack'o'all Trades said...

I was in the same boat about 40 months ago... I chose the Honda primarily because it came standard with side curtain airbags for the 3rd row (the highlander you had to pay for the option) and it has more headroom, which for me is an issue... Toyotas tend to brush the top of my head.

I also got the entertainment package rather than the navigation system... kids, long rides, helps tremendously!

Anonymous said...

Can ya live without the 3rd row seating? The Honda CRV is like $7000 less. Ours is 12yrs old and still going strong.

Rick in NY said...

Jay, check out the Suzuki XL-7.

We have one, 4wd, 3rd row seats, goes anywhere, on road, off road, no road, snow road, it just does not care.

We were looking at a Pilot, found the XL-7 and decided that one more seat (8 in the Pilot vs 7 in the XL-7) wasn't worth the extra $10,000. We've had ours for 7 years now, it's got 145K on the clock, and still runs like a champ!

Bram said...

I just bought a CX-9 Touring. It was the most enjoyable to drive and was far, far cheaper than the Toyota and Honda with equivalent equipment.

Gas mileage for any of these cars is going to suck bad compared to the Accord.

Now that Cash-for-Clunkers is over, rebates will probably be back. Check Edmunds in a couple weeks. I got $4k rebate in July.

RW said...

she's undergoing an aggressive campaign of active neglect of the car - like forgetting to tell me it has needed an oil change for 3 months.
++++++++

Retort: "Tell me why I'm supposed to drop twenty grand on something if you can't take care of the one you own now!"

Gotta quell the insurgency before it grows. :)

[note: no, you won't get any for about a month if you actually say that, but it will stave off the purchase for a while]

Paul, Dammit! said...

I'm in the same boat. Mrs. Pirate wants a RAV4. What happened with you and Toyota?

Rick R. said...

I've NEVER owned (or known anyone who owned) a Honda or Toyota that I didn;t find exceptionally reliable -- given the mileage on teh car in question. (I tend to BUY 10 year old cars.) That's everything from the old Honda CVCC to my wife's 2004 Honda CRV. My favorite handling car of all time was a 1985 Toyota Tercel station wagon.

None of these is a bad choice.

My wife and some friends have had great luck with Suburus (which have AWD, a consideration you might have in Polar Massachusetts. . . living in eastern Virginia I don't have the need, even though I freqently drive through Pennsylvania mountains in the winter months.)

Of course, there's the old saying, "When Mama's unhappy, EVERYONE'S unhappy." {grin}

Bill said...

We love our forester Jay. 4WD, lots of room, 305ish MPG and we picked up a 1-year-old car with 10k miles on it for 10 grand. We've had it four years now and not a single repair has been needed. Just be sure to get the 4-cylinder with manual trans. Otherwise you're stuck with a 6-cylinder that gets a lot worse MPG.

FWIW, the Outback is a POS but subarus are outstanding cars, cheap and last forever.

Anonymous said...

It makes me sad. The Chevy Traverse is a nice vehicle of the type you are looking at.

I am afraid I agree with your assessment of their health though.

Phillip said...

I decided back in 2000 to buy a minivan, and couldn't get the credit to buy used, but could buy new. Downside, it was a 4 cylinder with no options.

After that experience, I will NEVER NEVER NEVER own a larger vehicle with a 4 cylinder engine again. The engine was so underpowered that it was actually LESS economical on gas than the 6 cylinder I recently replaced it with. (Which I bought used.) I also came to hate with a bloody blue passion the monthly payments, mainly because they lasted longer than the warranty.

The takeaway is: Say NO to large 4 cylinder vehicles. :-)

Anonymous said...

I work for GM (and I didn't support the bail out in the slightest, hand to thor), so I do have to toss in a good word for the Equinox. Better milage than the Toyota and the Honda pilot, more room, and I think it looks better than both.

If you wanna go with a BMW, my girl's mom picked up an X3, 3.0si, very nice, with under 30k miles for 28k. As a BMW nut job, and former employee of a BMW dealership, their Certified Pre Owned program is very, very nice. 5years or 100k mile warranty.

'Course, I'm trying to ditch my Mazdaspeed3 for either a Silverado Extended Cab with the Z71 package and the 6.0 V8 (so I can punch mother nature in the face) or grab a Police auction Crown Vic, rip out the engine, and drop in a motor from an 2004 SVT and Kenne Bell that 'ish.

'Course...the Maurader is nice, I just don't want another black car, and I still cant fight the urge for a last gen F Body 'Maro.

Jay G said...

"Silverado Extended Cab with the Z71 package and the 6.0 V8 (so I can punch mother nature in the face)"

That's funny right there...

Every day I pass a used car lot with a 2002 Pontiac TransAm with the Ram Air 350. White. With t-roofs.

Every. Bloody. Day.

They want too much for it ($13,500??? PSHAW) right now, so I can resist.

If they drop the price a tad (like, say $8K), I'd be REALLY tempted...

Unknown said...

Don't forget about the Mitsubishi Endeavor. We loved it when we compared it to other SUV/CUVs. It made the Pilot look bland.

Scott said...

Jay,

The Highlander is nice, but the hybrid is about 40 large! You can buy a lot of gas for that!

My wife has a Sienna AWD. While it's not the coolest ride, it is huge inside, rides nice, has a DVD player, and all of the doors can be operated from the driver's seat which is nice when the kids jump out and run off leaving the opposite side door open!

It has a lot more room than the Highlander, especially behind the third row. A downside is that the run-flat tires on the AWD models wear out quickly and are expensive, but I don't have to worry about her stranded on the side of the road with a flat tire.

Unknown said...

We used to own a 2006 Dodge Durango with V8 Hemi. I really liked it. Had to sell it when I lost my job.

(A guy got really lucky. $14,500 for it. It had 41,000 miles and a 7-yr/100,000 mile maximum care extended warranty.)

We test drove a LOT of SUVs. Mostly the full size class. The Dodge Durango had the 2nd most comfortable 3rd row seat after the Toyota Sequoia. Sequoia was nice except it cost as much as a small house and had a really really crappy turning radius.

3rd row thoughts: Tahoe, not enough leg room, Expedition really uncomfortable hard seats, Sequoia soft and comfy, Nissan Armada way too low my knees were in my chest and I have really really short legs. Durango had a very nice 3rd row seat.

It towed great, got reasonable gas mileage on hwy - but sucked in the city. To be expected. Also had a very high towing capacity.

Had no serious problem with it. One powered window motor needed replacing.

I was a bit fearful about getting a Dodge. Heard a lot of people downing them. But it turned out to be a lot better vehicle than I had expected.

It was a pretty good drive. Not quite as easy as my old Isuzu Rodeo, but a lot more nimble than any of the other full size SUVs I tried.

***

Be very cautious with a lot of these light suv vehicles often have little to no towing ability. They're not real suvs, they're jacked up cars. My Dodge was rated at like 8-9K lbs. Where as my mother-in-laws Ford Escape is a meager 3,000 lbs.