Go to the link. I came across it here, and my first thought was that it was another alarmist screed from one of our anarcho-leaning libertarian brethren. Imagine my surprise when the link came up at Time.com - where the odds are better (slightly) that the story is legit. At first blush, it's hard to see how this could possibly be legal - government agents slipping onto private property to attach a tracking device, all without a warrant. It appears to be a violation of the fourth amendment at a bare minimum - unless you're the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, that is.Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.
That is the bizarre — and scary — rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant.
Alex Kozinski, long a favorite of the right, disagreed with the court's decision, but using an almost class warfare appeal:
Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who dissented from this month's decision refusing to reconsider the case, pointed out whose homes are not open to strangers: rich people's. The court's ruling, he said, means that people who protect their homes with electric gates, fences and security booths have a large protected zone of privacy around their homes. People who cannot afford such barriers have to put up with the government sneaking around at night.
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So... by that logic if you leave your house and forget to lock the door, and someone comes in and cleans you out, they aren't breaking any laws?
I would suggest that this is a techno proxie violating the 3rd.
Steps to address
1) Notice device (highly unlikely)
2) Identify device, take hi-res images with identifying marks, mail to self at new drop-box.
3) Next day have an early field day at local Fed Courthouse and get choice parking near front entrance.
4) When leaving before lunch, drop keys at car door door, accidentally kick keys under car, notice device when retrieving keys.
5) Call security about device found under car.
6) Enjoy show.
So does this mean Algore is safe in his new California Seaside Mansion and no one is allowed to see his Carbon Footprint because he has a gate?
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and EFFECTS...." What part did the 9th. Circuit NOT understand? Thank God they are the most overturned Court in the Land.
50 - APRS transceivers with GPS onboard
1 - Google Gear application
1 Droid
and a lot of time ....
I have a fully open source and legal Cop Car tracking system.
Po Po is about to hate me.
It's one thing if the cops lay it on your car while it's in a public area, AND they are not allowed to use in court the data gathered when you're on private property, even if the tracker was planted on a public street.
There is no moral difference between a cop following you in an unmarked stake out vehicle ON PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE STREETS, and tracking you electronically with an EXTERNAL (even if hidden) device placed on your vehicle ON PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE STREETS. (I feel the same way about cameras in public -- public safety cameras, erected on and observing publicly accessible property, may be stupid and even counterproductive, but not necessarily unconstitutional.)
Entering private (not publicly accessible) property and placing a tracker is also fine if the cops get an actual warrant.
However, once you go on to private property where you DO have a privacy right (and I cannot fathom how the court could have determined that your own driveway is not a place where a police officer needs a warrant), we've entered a different realm. If you are somewhere I have the right to demand you show a warrant or probable cause to even STAND, you damned sure don't have the right to mess with my vehicle without that warrant or probable cause.
I believe that the rule regarding garbage should apply. As I recall it, trash in my can by my backdoor requires a warrant. Until I take an action that definitively declares I have abandoned any right to that trash, it is still my property.
Once I put my trash out on the curb for pickup, I have (by my actions) abandoned any property or privacy rights to that trash, and the cops are free to root through it without a warrant (but they can't take my can, only the trash inside), as it isn't "my" trash anymore (although I am still responsible under sanitation rules for ensuring it doesn't stay there for the next decade) -- anyone from cop to wino can paw through it (but they can't litter my property).
Another way of looking at it would be -- would the cops need to get a warrant against YOU or get YOUR permission to sending the lab techs in to start collecting trace evidence right where the car was sitting? Last I checked, unless there is a big assed puddle of blood visible from the public sidewalk, or some other "probable cause", they would need a warrant to search your driveway.
It's one thing if the cops lay it on your car while it's in a public area, AND they are not allowed to use in court the data gathered when you're on private property, even if the tracker was planted on a public street.
There is no moral difference between a cop following you in an unmarked stake out vehicle ON PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE STREETS, and tracking you electronically with an EXTERNAL (even if hidden) device placed on your vehicle ON PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE STREETS. (I feel the same way about cameras in public -- public safety cameras, erected on and observing publicly accessible property, may be stupid and even counterproductive, but not necessarily unconstitutional.)
Entering private (not publicly accessible) property and placing a tracker is also fine if the cops get an actual warrant.
However, once you go on to private property where you DO have a privacy right (and I cannot fathom how the court could have determined that your own driveway is not a place where a police officer needs a warrant), we've entered a different realm. If you are somewhere I have the right to demand you show a warrant or probable cause to even STAND, you damned sure don't have the right to mess with my vehicle without that warrant or probable cause.
I believe that the rule regarding garbage should apply. As I recall it, trash in my can by my backdoor requires a warrant. Until I take an action that definitively declares I have abandoned any right to that trash, it is still my property.
Once I put my trash out on the curb for pickup, I have (by my actions) abandoned any property or privacy rights to that trash, and the cops are free to root through it without a warrant (but they can't take my can, only the trash inside), as it isn't "my" trash anymore (although I am still responsible under sanitation rules for ensuring it doesn't stay there for the next decade) -- anyone from cop to wino can paw through it (but they can't litter my property).
Another way of looking at it would be -- would the cops need to get a warrant against YOU or get YOUR permission to sending the lab techs in to start collecting trace evidence right where the car was sitting? Last I checked, unless there is a big assed puddle of blood visible from the public sidewalk, or some other "probable cause", they would need a warrant to search your driveway.
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