Wednesday, January 26, 2011

Defensive Ammunition...

One of the suggestions I received for a topic this week was "carry ammo". This is one of those topics that - like Glock vs. 1911, or chili, beans or no (beans) - will often result in back-and-forth between different camps with little resolution. Some folks swear by Federal Hydra-Shoks. Others prefer Speer Gold Dot. Others won't use anything other than Winchester Rangers.

There are other areas of contention as well. Some folks suggest using the same type of ammunition as the local police department, figuring that, in case of a defensive shooting, it makes it harder for a DA to paint the shooter as "bloodthirsty" for using hollowpoints if it's the same bullets sitting in the gun of the bailiff standing next to the DA. Others claim that loading your own defensive ammo is a one-way ticket to the Greybar hotel if you're ever involved in a shooting, the idea being that a prosecutor would have a field day describing a handload to a (presumably gun-ignorant) jury.

Then there's bullet size, weight and construction. There is, of course, the holy war between 9mm and .45 ACP - with speed and capacity up against larger size and heavier bullet. The 9mm adherents point to the superior capacity and faster velocity of their preferred round; the .45 ACP zealots call out the relatively poor performance of the 9mm in battle and the fact that while a 9mm hollowpoint may or may not expand, a .45 ACP hollowpoint will never contract. Others, like the pantsless followers of the 10mm or the near-godlike admirers of the .357 Magnum, prefer a mix of speed, size, and power in their defensive ammo - but don't mind hunting far and wide for it.

I'd like to say that I researched my defensive ammunition choices exhaustively, reading dozens of magazines and blogs in my quest for the perfect carry ammunition. Reality, however, is that I went with whatever my local gun shop had in stock at a reasonable price - hence why most of my carry ammo is Federal Hydra-Shoks... I do have Speer Gold Dots in my P3AT, as they're designed for better expansion out of a short barrel; I also have a number of "other" defensive ammo acquired by luck or good timing, like the Winchester 9mm I picked up on sale at Wal-Mart or the 200 rounds of .38 Special +P left over from the local sheriff's office annual qualification shoot that my dad scored for me (nothing like answering "the sheriff's office" to the question of "where did you get the ammunition you used in the shooting" if it comes down to it...).

What's your preferred carry ammo, and why do you prefer it?

That is all.

20 comments:

Ross said...

What do I carry? Whatever hollowpoints will feed reliably in my semi-auto.

If I'm carrying a revolver - like a 637 - it's whatever load will hit at point of aim at 50' or so so that I don't have to worry about holding low or high.

Phillip said...

I really like my Cor-Bon Pow'r'Ball ammo, but it's extremely expensive, about $30 for a box of 50. During the great ammo shortage, I found some affordable Winchester Lawman hollowpoints that I was happy with.

I use either a Glock 26 or a Ruger P95, both of which will feed anything I've put in them, so for me it turns into a matter of how much it costs and how it feels when I shoot it.

pdb said...

We live in a really remarkable time. Virtually all hollowpoint loads, in all weights, in all the common duty calibers, from all the 'name' factories (CCI, Olin/Winchester, Federal, Hornady, Remington) will meet or slightly exceed the FBI standards for penetration and expansion. As long as the load you choose functions reliably in your gun, is available in bulk, reasonably priced (so as to encourage you to rotate through your carry ammo periodically), and shoots accurately, you're good.

It's just up to you to shoot accurately and fast.

I personally carry Hornady XTP 124gr 9mm, since I got a good price on a 500 round case and it works great in my G19. I would mildly prefer 124gr +P if only to work the slide a little more vigorously. Also, the brass is chemically blackened, so my ammo is 20% more tactical than yours.

ViolentIndifference said...

I replace the chili beans with hollow point. 9mm ball gives me gas.

I have several types/brands of hollow point. Can I shoot some people to find out which is better?

Weer'd Beard said...

I bought a few boxes of Federal Hi-Shok 230gr +P bonded because it was dirt cheap. When I found that my 1911s ate it like candy, I bought a few more boxes at a much higher price. : (

Personally I know all handgun bullets suck, so I'll pick whatever gun works best for me at the time. when choosing the bullet, Ross's point is a big one. The ammo must feed and feed well. (Tho that doesn't appear to be as much of an issue these days then it was 10-20 years ago)

All that taken out of the equation, I want bullet mass. The heavier the object the more it will conserve its mass, and travel on. This simply means more consistent performance no matter what it hits, be it bone of adipose.

I'm also pretty solid on bonded ammo, as bullets lose mass in penetration, and I'd just prefer to keep that as a minimum, and certainly fragmentation and separation aren't going to do anything worthwhile for me.

And while +P loads to generate more recoil and report, that's only when comparing them side-by-side to low-pressure cousins. In the time of need I don't think I'll notice the extra recoil and noise. Also I'm not sure if the bad guy will notice, but it certainly can't hurt to have a few more ft/lbs of energy behind my carry load.

Robert McDonald said...

My defensive ammunition is just plain Jane 230gr. Winchester JHP.

Robb Allen said...

Ah, and here's where I like to give other gunnies the willies.

I carry the EXACT same ammunition I practice with. In fact, the first thing I do when hitting the range is to empty the current magazines of their cartridges and at the end of the session, replace them with what I've been putting downrange.

And yes, they're my own loads.

Now, I've made a slight change in my carry cartridges. I no longer carry 'reloads'. The brass has never been fired for what I carry for Self Defense. This is simply because I have had a case head separation from a piece of brass that had finally given up the ghost.

Since I purchased 1000 pieces of Starline, I'm ok with only using new brass for SD. For practice, I'm more than happy to run a case three times before chucking it.

Now, there's the whole "OMG!! You will go to JAIL!" shtick that NOBODY has ever experienced. I've never found a single case where the deciding factor in a shooting was because it was handloads (i.e. had the person used factory loads, he would have been found innocent).

Right now, I'm using Hornady XTPs until they run out. Pushing a 10mm 155 gr bullet at ~1200 fps is enough to ruin anybody's day.

FOR ME, I enjoy being able to practice with the same rounds I will carry. Reloading allows me to do that. Others might feel differently, and lo and behold, there's no one right answer. That isn't going to stop gunnies from arguing about it though.

Butch Cassidy said...

Beretta 96 - 180 grain Winchester whitebox JHPs. Afordable, available, perform fine in my water box.

GLOCK 23 - 180 grain Remington bulk JHPs from wally world. Why different from the Beretta? There was no WWB when I went in after I got the pistol and it also performed well in my water box.

Any 38 S&W Special revolver - Buffalo Bore 158 grain LSWC-HC +p. Why? I water boxed the load and it impressed the heck out of me.

380 - WWB truncated FMJ. Why? Available, affordable, and I like ball in a 380.

Gunmart said...

Let me just go ahead and say that your carry ammo sucks and mine is superior to all!

:D

Jake (formerly Riposte3) said...

In my Taurus (.45ACP) it's whatever hollowpoint ammo cost less when I bought it. I don't remember what it was, but I did fire enough at the range to verify that it feeds reliably (which reminds me, it's past time to buy more and cycle out what I have at the range).

In my P3AT, I use Hornady Critical Defense, which is supposed to be designed to overcome the issue .380ACP hollowpoints have with "clogging" in thick clothing and then not expanding in bad guy.

When I had a .38Spl, I used Cor-Bon in +P.

Lupis42 said...

As a pantsless user of 10mm, I find myself wishing it came in a +P variation some times...

I prefer DoubleTap, but it's 10mm. I'll take what I can find, and Hornady, Corbon, and every other defensive ammo I've ever tested has gone through my Glock without issue.

Sevesteen said...

Gold Dot short barrel, because my carry guns have short barrels, and they feed in my guns. I don't carry reloads--the legal aspects are not the primary issue, rather I don't have the time or patience to work up a load as good as a major brand premium.

If Gold Dots became hard to find, I'd be content with any other premium hollowpoint in my XD or Centennial-neither one has ever cared what ammo I fed it. The P3AT would get whichever major brand passed function test first, since it is picky about brand.

Midwest Chick said...

I bought some Hornady Critical Defense for the Sig P238 but haven't been to the range to see if it'll eat them yet. Otherwise, I go with Gold Dots since it's what the local constabulary carry.

ExurbanKevin said...

What do I carry? Whatever hollowpoints will feed reliably in my semi-auto.

This, of course, is the correct answer. The brutal fact of the matter is that 95% of all modern defensive ammo will do the job just fine: Ballistics tests have shown time and time again that there's really very little difference between brands and rounds in any given caliber.

Now, that being said, I carry Speer Gold Dots in my P3AT and CZ P07 right now, but I've carried Golden Sabers and HydraShoks in the past as well. Where I hit them and how often is much more important that what's stamped on the back of the shell casing.

Glock vs. 1911? CZ.

And chili without beans: Carroll Shelby said it, I believe it, that settles it. :)

Anonymous said...

Corbon DPX in pistols, Buffalo Bore loads for short barreled revolvers.

All function and tested at 100%

Expensive? Yes but I'm worth it.

Gerry

Lokidude said...

In my 1911 and my 38s, I run Hornady XTP hollowpoints. In addition to loving their "flying ashtray" profile, Hornady is the only domestic manufacturer of 9x18 factory JHP, so I vote with my wallet.

When I do the pantsless 10mm thing, I use either 180 grain Hydrashoks or Silvertips. The gun will eat XTPs just fine, but all I've been able to find locally are 155s, and I'm a firm believer that there's no replacement for displacement.

Wally said...

How did you manage to limit defensive ammo to only handguns ?

subcompact 9mm: gold dot 124+P.
full size 9mm: handloads*
357sig: gold dot or ranger-T.
1911: S&B 230 FMJ
AR: Lake City M855 or M193
AK: 123FMJ

*the full size 9mm is my beater gun, and I carry it while running. It is always around so it is probably most likely to be fired in the house (godforbid), or at a critter while jogging. As such, the handloads have no lead in the primers and the 147s are subsonic. That coupled with a can makes for pleasantly quiet performance indoors or in a neighborhood.

Bubblehead Les. said...

For my 3rd. Gen Smith in .40 S+W, I have a Mag full of Powerball in the weapon, while the spares carry 180 grain FMJ. The logic is this: If the Powerball doesn't stop the multiple assailants (and one must plan on the attacks nowadays being made up of Wolfpacks), then, IF THE FIGHT IS STILL HAPPENING, I NEED to be behind Cover, and the Goblins will probably be taking shelter also. So I need some rounds with Penetration to reach them IF I CAN'T RETREAT. But that's for the street.

For the Home, all my revolvers have become "Stash Guns" (we don't have kids), and they have the last of my Federal 158 grain +P .38 Special NYCLAD JHP in them (including the .357's). But since the Home has much less room for the Goblins to maneuver, I feel I can maintain a Choke Point while the Wife is in the Safe Room with the 12 Gauge talking to the Police.

Ymmv, of course.

Eric said...

Currently,

For 9mm Speer Gold Dot 124+P
For 38 Special Speer Gold Dot 135+P

I'll happily carry anything that has a department or agency contract and works in my guns. I'll let the FBI do my research for me. The one thing is it has to be available in 50 round boxes. I refuse to buy 20 or 25 round boxes for a dollar plus per cartridge.

seeker_two said...

I like CorBon's Pow'R'Ball....not as much for bullet performance as for reliably feeding in any auto that can feed ball ammo. But I always have a mag of FMJ ammo as a reload just in case I have to put a hole through something in order to put a hole in something....

Same thing in revolvers...but I prefer heavy bullets for caliber in my .38SPL sixguns....with S&B 158gr. FMJ as a reload....