Colleges Get Advice on Crafting Weapons Policies That Will Hold Up in Court
When seeking to restrict people from carrying guns on campus, colleges should carefully explain their motivations and should avoid absolute bans that could face trouble in court, a panel of experts advised on Sunday during a gathering of university lawyers here.
Two recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions expanding the reach of the Second Amendment and a flurry of activity by state lawmakers seeking to limit anti-gun policies at colleges have left campus gun bans largely intact. But the panelists said the activity illustrates the need for carefully tailored policies that will hold up in court in the future.
Go read the reasons that schools of higher learning should be allowed to ban guns. Gems such as this:
In particular, he said, colleges could explain that their campuses have heated discussions as a natural part of teaching, or that they house 18- to 24-year-olds who are prone to make poor choices with alcohol.
You know what? If they're that untrustworthy, they sure as hell shouldn't be voting, should they? Or driving a car, for that matter. Good luck with that. I know! Let's make alcohol illegal! That'll fix everything, right?
This line of "reasoning" is so flawed I don't even know where to start. First off, you dolts, those immature and irrational 18-24 year olds that "make poor choices" CAN ALREADY OWN GUNS. By your own admission, they make bad choices, right? Do these imbeciles actually think that having a "No Guns Allowed" policy is going to stop some drunk 20 year old from walking on campus with a firearm? I'm frightened that they might just be thinking that...
Permits do not make someone more responsible; the more responsible people seek permits. Seeking a concealed carry permit means that the potential permit holder is making a conscious effort to stay within the parameters of the law and will follow their licensing state's guidelines for obtaining said permit. These are the people that you have to worry about the least. Why is this so hard for our alleged highly educated peers to understand?
Allowing permit holders to carry concealed on a college campus isn't going to result in blood on the quadrangle. If someone is hell-bent on causing death and destruction on a college campus - like VA Tech - all the "ZOMG NO EVIL GUNZ ALLOWED" signs in the world aren't going to stop them. All the signs and rules in the world are meaningless to someone who has made the decision to break the law. They only hinder those who obey the law to begin with.
One wonders, then, how someone allegedly so educated - we're talking college-level administrators and such - can be so close-minded and willfully ignorant of the facts. School shootings are extremely rare to begin with - but assaults, robberies, and rapes, sadly, are not. The number of illegal shootings committed by concealed weapons permit holders are miniscule, yet these are the very people against whom these laws are written.
Why, it's almost like it's about control more than safety!
That is all.
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"Allowing permit holders to carry concealed on a college campus isn't going to result in blood on the quadrangle. If someone is hell-bent on causing death and destruction on a college campus - like VA Tech - all the "ZOMG NO EVIL GUNZ ALLOWED" signs in the world aren't going to stop them.
Bingo! I've open carried on a college campus and into a brewery on said campus no less, yet still there was no blood.
Some 18 year old college student could do the same. They could walk right onto campus, carrying openly or concealed and use that gun to commit murder or some other violent crime. University policy, nor laws would stop them.
Anyone can walk onto any college campus carrying a firearm if they're willing to ignore prohibitions against doing so. I don't get what's so hard for folks to understand about that.
So I read the article and your comments and I'm still confused as to why they are looking to restrict peoples rights? I see references to "why are you special" "how to restrict" I don't see why they want to do this. I don't see any reference to danger, just a willingness to take peoples rights away. Am I supposed to assume a reason? I don't automatically accept "the new normal" of restriction just because they want to.
Got my permit at 22, while going to college. Then proceeded to grumble about stupid disarmament policies until graduation. You may recall NOT hearing about any school shootings up in Montana? Yeah, that was me.
They used the same drunk frat boys with guns arguments to kill Campus Carry bills in Texas this year. Some people will believe anything.
Sorry, but I always use my firearm to shoot professors who give me a grade less than an A. Give me too much homework and I'll empty my entire magazine.
Also, as soon as I go to the pub and have a single beer I shoot the waitress and the frat boys playing pool. That's what happens when you mix alcohol and young college kids.
That is, until I switched colleges and went to a campus that banned firearms. So, I starting to leave them at home. I wouldn't want to break any of the rules or violate the gun-free zones.
Just kidding, I'm middle-aged and have never carried on campus...yet.
I'm still confused as to why they are looking to restrict peoples rights?
It's the lefties' way of trying to mold everyone into their image of the ideal society. In their ideal world we wouldn't need guns (or rights in general) because we'd all get along, sing Kumbaya around the campfire, and work for the common good. From each according to his* ability, to each according to his need, that kind of thing.
The fact that people's brains aren't wired like those of bees in a hive doesn't deter them. It just means they have to try harder. They have a Vision, and by pretending that Vision is real, they hope to make it come true.
*His, hers, shis, or whatever the politically correct third person pronoun is.
So they make bad decisions? Like... going to certain colleges, I suppose. Colleges which decided to let the kids in because they've already met certain standards?
My head, it spins.
::scotaku
Meh- Carry a gun in a place RUN by Left Wing Liberals... Figure the odds... sigh
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