Thursday, July 21, 2011

The Video...

By now, pretty much everyone's commented on "The Video" (Weerd has a link to it in this post). In a nutshell, a Canton, OH police officer goes certifiably batshit insane upon finding out that the guy he's been harassing has a CCW license and a concealed handgun. He first threatens to beat the guy up ("put lumps on you") and graduates to threatening to kill him ("put 10 in you and then go home and sleep like a baby") over the course of the video.

According to the Canton, OH PD's facebook page, the officer has been "relieved of duty" - given that these types of officers generally do not last long without a compliant or completely inept chain of command, I suspect he's got a paid vacation. Several things spring to mind about this:

1. I am shocked, frankly, that the video saw the light of day. I'll tip my hat to the Canton PD that the video didn't suddenly "go missing" or have "technical difficulties" - go watch that video (take blood pressure meds first). It's bad. REAL bad. That cop has serious issues with anger management, and he does not handle himself in a professional manner. His partner's reaction doesn't exactly instill confidence that these sorts of incidents are reported to the chain of command - one wonders what would have happened had the guy who was arrested not retained counsel.

2. This cop needs to be fired, prosecuted, and should seek professional help. If this is how he reacts to a citizen legally carrying a firearm, how the bloody hell is he going to react to some punk pulling a stolen gun on him? If he continues as a police officer, he will kill someone eventually - generally these types of incidents don't happen out of the blue, and I'd wager that there are several other such incidents that were not followed up on out there. Even if he's fired, he should never work as a cop again - or a security guard, etc. in any sort of position of authority. At least not until he exorcises whatever demons he's carrying around inside his head.

3. The dude in the video really needs to learn to clam up. Once the cop threatened his life, nothing he said was going to matter. "I would like to talk to my attorney" is the only thing that should have come out of his mouth after being threatened with physical harm. Whether or not you believe his story is a matter of discussion; the one thing that's crystal clear is that nothing he said was going to influence the officer's demeanor one whit. In a situation like this, silence is golden.

4. You do have the phone number of a 2A-versed lawyer memorized/in your cell phone/among your personal effects/with your carry permit, right? RIGHT?

5. Both officers display, IMHO, shockingly bad situational awareness. The partner is rooting around in the back seat of the car with absolutely no regard for what the two people in the front seat are doing - they are not removed from the vehicle, they are not restrained, they are just kinda watching him over their shoulder. If either had malicious thoughts, that cop would have been dead before he knew what happened, and chances are good that Officer Steroid would have stroked out before he had a chance to respond.




That video is frightening on many levels. First, that an officer would be that close to outright murder and his partner shrugs it off? It sure puts the Jose Guerena and Erik Scott shootings in a different light, doesn't it? It shows the need for CCW holders to rehearse traffic stop scenarios beforehand, and to have the number of a competent 2A-versed attorney available (this video came to light as a result of the defendant's legal counsel). It shows that not all cops are our friends, that not all police officers are friendly to CCW holders - in fact, they can be downright hostile.

We don't know all the facts of the case, that much is true. What we can assume, though, is that the citizen with the CCW has a clean record (since he has the CCW permit); we can assume that whatever the reason for the traffic stop was insignificant (since the first thing the DA did was offer to drop all charges in exchange for not pressing charges against the officer/PD); and we can extrapolate that we need to exercise the greatest care when dealing with members of the law enforcement community. We don't have to see them as the enemy, necessarily (although in this case it's certainly fitting); but we view them as allies at our own peril.

Sadly, they're not all like officer Matt Lyons, LawDog, or MattG.

That is all.

12 comments:

Freiheit said...

"You do have the phone number of a 2A-versed lawyer memorized/in your cell phone/among your personal effects/with your carry permit, right? RIGHT?"

How the hell do I find one in the first place?

North said...

graduates to threatening to kill him ("put 10 in you and then go home and sleep like a baby")

I'm not the kind of guy to react to something like this with anger.

But there are people that might react to someone threatening their life like that by, well, by killing them. This 'cop' acted like a thug, he might get treated like a thug. If someone is frightened witless, they might decide that this 'cop' is a criminal impersonating an officer.

Kind cops are killed by criminals, not by law-abiding CCW people. Insanely angry cops? You morons take your chances. Go ahead and frighten someone with a gun.

Lissa said...

I always think that folks like LawDog and MattG must react like we do when stupid asses make asses of themselves with guns (cf: Klein, Lori; Sen AZ). That is, horror, disgust, anger, contempt, and general dislike far beyond us average commentators.

wizardPC said...

The officer didn't threaten to "put lumps on" the CCW holder.

He threatened that upon the girl who was talking to him.

As someone on FB said, has anyone checked this cop's wife for bruises?

Jay G said...

Freiheit,

Check the local gun boards. Chances are pretty good that you'll at least get a lead or two. Otherwise, check with your local 2A group (like GOAL here in MA).

North,

Given that the CCW holder had been cuffed and relieved of his weapon, chances are low he'd have had much of a chance to do anything.

Lissa,

Agreed 100%. These types of people make it 10X harder for the rest of us.

WizardPC,

That's right (I saw the video last night and forgot the sequence). He only threatened to put his gun to the CCW holder's head and then to take two steps back and put 10 rounds into him.

Sevesteen said...

I've been following this a bit from before the video was released, via Ohioans for Concealed Carry. I'm not sure how the driver found the right lawyer, but the lawyer has a history of posting on the OFCC forums, and has handled at least one similar case for a forum member. Prosecutor offered to drop all charges in exchange for a promise not to sue.

And if I remember right, the 'put lumps on you' outburst was directed at a woman he told to leave, not the driver. The cop's issues didn't start when he was informed of the license.

Bubblehead Les. said...

So much to say, but I'll think I'll save it for the Blogshoot. I'm sure Heath and any other Buckeyes who show up have their own Horror stories about the quality of Police Professionalism here in Ohio.

Stretch said...

Lawyer in cell phone by name NOT as "Lawyer."
Use to wear a badge. Grandfather was MPD officer. Cousin was a deputy US marshal. Ya, we're Irish.
This is the most embarrassing video I've ever seen. And the dipsh*t KNEW his dash cam and mic were hot.
And if Officer Stupid loses his job he'll hold the citizen or his "&$^%) lawyer" at fault, not himself.

Johnnyreb™ said...

Seen the first five minutes of this before work this morning and several things jumped right out at me. Not only are these two clowns just out to roust these people for no apparent reason, but go about the traffic stop ass backwards. If the plates had been ran from the drivers seat it would have changed color immediately notifying these clowns that the car is registered to a person that has a CHL.

While i'm wondering what on gods green earth they are using as an excuse for 'probable cause' for the roust, they then begin to search the vehicle with the occupants still inside. Seriously?

Situational awareness ???

Unfortunately, after dealing with these "only ones" types before i'm not shy about disobeying their verbal commands. And very loudly proclaiming "I have a CHL and am armed". It has always seemed to get their attention ...

Trust me, Ohio is one of the worst states to drive a truck in. There is an assload of cops here that do nothing but generate revenue for the state by enforcing any law they think might hold up in court.

At least the local CMVE guys that run the portable scales around here know the drill when they catch me. Although i worry on a daily basis about an overzealous and/or ignorant DOT cop pulling this kind of crap on me. It has been my experience that police departments do not educate their officers very well on CCW issues.

After watching the rest of the video this evening, my opinion hasn't changed. One of these clowns is a hothead and the other is an idiot ...

Just knowing that OFCC and Buckeye Firearms Assoc. have my back make it easier to carry in this state.

Anonymous said...

Step back and look at the big picture. His partner did nothing to defuse the situation; he actually fed into the escalation. What does this tell you about the culture of this department overall?

Toastrider said...

Lawdog has posted a reaction on his blog.

I thought it was marvelously restrained, considering some of the things he has said about being 'retarded in uniform'.

Patrick said...

I concur with Sevesteen. He told the "prostitute" to beat it and if he saw her again, he'd beat her... "put lumps on ya". That wasn't directed at the driver.

This guy is violence waiting to happen. This pisses me off for all the usual reasons but in addition for some of the people I've seen around defending the cop, when I get told as a "gun owner" I'm a threat without even opening my mouth.

I would be the subject of many anti-gunners if I uttered half the things he did, starting with "I'm about ready to cave your head in"...