It's funny 'cuz it's true!
It does beg the question, though: Who else could compete? Rifle and pistol are easy, but who else had a combat shotgun? It's hard to consider the M30 Luftwaffe drilling a standard issue arm for the Germans, or a Greener police gun for the Brits... Think we might have won this one by default, but still...
Dee-fault! Dee-fault! The two greatest words in the English language!
That is all.
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Germany or England? I didn't know America issued combat shotguns in WW2.
To make it fairer, perhaps the three guns for WWII should be rifle, pistol and submachine gun. Then everyone would have skin in the game. Who'd win in that scenario?
The U.S. was the only country issuing a semi-automatic rifle to the troops in WWII. That makes everyone else shoot at a disadvantage. Ask the Japanese how those Ariskas worked out.
Submachine guns don't count in this game, because you can't shoot anything with a happy switch in a three gun match.
This weekend I participating in a USPSA multi-gun match. I keep saying I'm going to shoot one of these matches with a Garand, but the advantage of a magazine fed AR with an optic is too great.
Maybe if a group of us would agree, we could all use Garands, pump shotguns, and 1911s. For old times sake.
Wolfwalker, if you've ever played a Call of Duty game set in WWII, if you have a shotty, it is more than likely an 1897 Winchester Trench Gun. Before the CoD franchise got into Nazi Zombies and whatnot, it was quite accurate.
Seems to me we had 4 categories on the playing field - main battle rifle (only general issue semi-auto and actually two of them - M1 & M1 carbine) PLUS the BAR for a full-auto main battle rifle (OK, what do you want to categorize it as?), submachine gun (2 versions - Thompson and greasegun), shotgun, and pistol (actually 3 versions - G-d's own 1911, that .38 thing they gave pilots, and the .380 we only trusted general officers to carry). Most of the other teams had bolt action rifles, submachine guns and both revolving and bottom-feeding pistols but I can't think of anybody else who issued shotguns or had a full-auto battle rifle, let alone a semi-auto one.
And for you folks that want to do 3-gun games with most of those toys, go visit www.zootshooters.com .
stay safe.
Mr. Stith, I've never played any of the WW2 combat games -- or modern combat shooter games either. My taste in first-person shooters runs more to the SF type -- DOOM, Star Wars, etc. Not sure why, except that having read so much about the real Great War Mark II, something in me doesn't sit right with making it a game.
Skidmark:
main battle rifle (only general issue semi-auto and actually two of them - M1 & M1 carbine)
AIUI, the M1 carbine wasn't considered a battle rifle, and it had a full-auto setting.
PLUS the BAR for a full-auto main battle rifle (OK, what do you want to categorize it as?)
Light machine gun. I consider the BAR a first swipe at the Squad Automatic Weapon concept. I believe that's how it was used in US Army and Marine doctrine: one BAR per squad, and used as often with the bipod as hand-held.
Wolfwalker said:
"AIUI, the M1 carbine wasn't considered a battle rifle, and it had a full-auto setting."
Actually, that'd be the M-2, and it wasn't made in the massive numbers of the M-1 carbine.
Pretty much the same carbine otherwise, but it just wasn't an M-1.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Bob: Tough call, and depends on the ranges for each gun.
In all honesty, rifle is a tossup, germans, russians and americans all have contenders. For infantryman, americans win, for sniper, probably russians, but it's close with the germans.
Russia probably wins submachinegun with their PPsh-41, at least if they used their reliable 35 round box magazines, instead of drums.
And america takes the pistol one, in a grueling final against the germans.
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