Wednesday, March 21, 2012

MArooned Product Review: Smith & Wesson M&P45 Full Size

Smith & Wesson introduced the new M&P series in 2006, with 9mm and .40 S&W variants available, and the.45 ACP version came out the following year (to much rejoicing). When S&W first came up with the concept of applying the “Military & Police” designation to their new polymer semi-automatic line, I, like many others, pooh-poohed the concept. I saw what General Motors did to the LeMans, and feared a similar catastrophe with giving the M&P name to the next generation Sigma.

The initial reports on the M&P were mixed. Extraction issues, firing pins that didn’t fully engage certain types of ammunition, magazine release issues; the folks at Glock breathed a sigh of relief at dodging another competitor to their polymer empire. I visited the Smith & Wesson factory in April of 2007 and tried out a few different M&Ps at the S&W range, and came away decidedly unimpressed. The trigger was horrid, the magazine fell out of the .40 S&W compact I was shooting several times; the experience soured me on the new M&P line.

One thing that can be said about Smith & Wesson, though, is that they listen to their customers (except about getting rid of that stupid zit, but that’s fodder for another time…) The extraction issues were resolved. A new firing pin was designed for the M&P. The magazine release was redesigned so that inadvertent releases were no longer an issue. Folks started raving about the M&P; several folks I know and trust picked up models; and I decided to give the M&P a second look. Smith & Wesson was kind enough to provide a MA-compliant full-size .45 ACP variant for testing:

Box ‘o’ goodies

The M&P Full Size.

Even though the model sent for testing was a MA-compliant version, there was no magazine disconnect or external safeties. The standard 250 10 pound MA trigger pull requisite on MA models that do not have external safeties is something to behold (more later), and not in a good way. The M&P is well-designed, with three interchangeable backstraps that allow for customization of the grip to different hand sizes and comfort. I opted for the medium backstrap grip – the large was wider than I wanted, with no noticeable increase in comfort, the small was a bit too minimalist for my liking. The slide release is ambidextrous and the magazine release, while set up for a right-handed person, can be swapped to the left side in minutes without special tools.

I found the ergonomics of the full size M&P pistol to be excellent. The pistol really fills my hand well, allowing for a full three-fingered grip:

It fits my mitts

The slide release is easy to actuate with the dominant thumb, although it does require shifting the pistol very slightly in my hand. This is needed to release the magazine as well, but in the interest of fairness I checked a half-dozen semi-automatics in the G. armory and found this to be universal, from the full size SIG SAUER P226 to the Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 380. The full size M&P45 just plain feels good in my hand. Best of all, this model had neither the magazine disconnect nor the internal lock – heck, it didn’t even have the thumb safety.

The sights are standard three white dots, two rear and one front. They’re simple and quick to acquire, and night sights are available if desired. The external extractor is large bordering on monstrous, and cleared every piece of brass, steel, or nickel that went into the chamber without fail. The slide has scalloped serrations both fore and aft for assisting in racking the slide and doing chamber press checks. There’s even a three-slot picatinny-style rail on the frame for laser sights, weapon lights, or (my favorite) pistol bayonets:

Stabby!

Takedown of the pistol is accomplished in a few simple steps:

• Clear the weapon
• Lock the slide back
• Drop the magazine
• Release the sear deactivation lever:

No Rod? Use a pencil…

• Rotate the slide takedown lever 90ยบ down
• Remove the slide from the frame.

And you wind up with a M&P reduced to component molecules:

Pieces parts

Shooting the M&P.

The elephant in the room with the M&P, and it’s really not even that, is the trigger. Even non-MA compliant guns have heavy triggers that most often get smoothed, buffed, or outright replaced. The MA-compliant trigger is a finger-bustin’ 10.5 pounds, taking the M&P from “wow, this is a tough trigger” to “YHGTBSM” territory. After hundreds of rounds downrange and at least a couple thousand dry fires, it smoothed out nicely, but it’s still a long, heavy pull. Modification – either a standard trigger job or one of the drop-in units like APEX – is recommended.

That said, it’s not impossible to shoot:

First shots

That’s the very first target shot with the M&P45. I took it out of the box, loaded up the magazines, and brought it to Weer’dbeard’s range to test it out. Twenty rounds – both magazines - nothing done to the gun except to take it out of the factory box and load it up. 18 out of 20 center of mass (one wing and one “not with my daughter” shot notwithstanding), all-in-all pretty decent for a pistol with a 70 pound trigger fresh out of the package.

Over the course of a few months, and eight different trips to the range (with Weer’dbeard, SCI-FI, Wally, Yankeefriend & daughter, and another friend – one of my new shooters a few years back – and his 14 year old son), I put just under 700 rounds through the M&P. It shot mainly 230 grain steel cased FMJ, but had a few brass-cased 230 grainers and a handful of 200 grain +P rounds as well as 175 grain +P frangible run through it.

The single issue had with the M&P happened with Winchester White box 230 grain FMJ, where the bullet was seated just a tiny bit low and the case flared out just a bit. I’ve seen this happen before with WWB, and have had .45 ACP rounds catch on my 1911s and even my G30. Aside from that one issue, the M&P ran flawlessly. It had about 400 rounds of steel cased FMJs run through without cleaning or oiling and is ready for more.

And after several thousand pulls of the trigger, it was starting to have better manners. Even under rapid fire she was starting to tighten her groups:

Decent group

That’s 25 feet, one magazine of steel-cased 230 grain FMJ Tulammo .45 ACP, shot as fast as I could pull the trigger. There’s a couple fliers, but that’s still a 6” circle with all 10 rounds inside, with the majority in the 9-ring. Pretty respectable given “minute-of-berm” and the 10.5 lb. trigger…

Conclusion.

With models selling for around $600 off-the-shelf, the Smith & Wesson M&P45 full size gives 10+1 rounds of G-d’s Own Pistol Caliber goodness (with a 14-round magazine available in free America) in a polymer frame that’s light enough to carry but substantial enough to soak up the recoil. The M&P is reliable, easy to shoot, and simple to maintain; and aside from a trigger job – or lots and lots of dry firing and rounds downrange – will require little work to make it just right for your application.

Come, drink the Kool-Aid – there’s plenty of it to go around!

That is all.

14 comments:

JD said...

Actually Jay you can take down the gun as is. If you don't have the pencle handy to trip the sear deactivation level then use the rod that holds the backstrip in place, slight twist and it comes out so you can pull apart the gun. . .

Have to admit after three years my M&P full size 9mm is my main carry gun

Anonymous said...

One important note: the 14 round mag adds 2" to the grip.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411534971

Bubblehead Les. said...

Uh, Jay, on the Takedown part: Shouldn't that be "Drop the Magazine, Lock the Slide Back, Ensure there's No Round in the Chamber, then proceed as follows...?"

As to the MA Trigger: I think it's a Nationwide thing, not just in MA. Just look at all the Kool Kids who are scattered around the Republic who have put in Apex Mods. I blame all the Lawyers who have forced Bad Triggers on us over the last few Decades, myself.

And George Bush, of course. ; )

zeeke42 said...

Les, as bad as some free state M&P triggers are, the MA ones are worse. My friend's MA 9c topped out a 20lb fish scale before the trigger broke.

I don't fiddle with the little lever to field strip, I just pull the trigger like a Glock.

Anonymous said...

Nice write-up. We just need you to move to the free world.

Adam said...

The gun costs 600 dollars plus 160 dollars for an APEX trigger. I wrote similar when you showed the your set on a Friday gun pron. The trigger is absolutely horrendous, and for $760 you can do better for a plastic .45. I have never had a hitch until I shot a M&P with the factory trigger. I picked up a SIG 226 with night sights and two mags for $640 gently used at a local shop, which will out shoot and out perform the M&P all day long.

Maybe you all see something in them that I do not....

Anonymous said...

I am in agreement with Adam on this one. When I tried one out I had the same issues that had soured you when you first tried the M&P. For the money I feel people can do much better.

Jay G said...

The .45 costs between $550 and $600; I've seen the .40 and 9 full size or compact for as low as $425. Add in a $70 trigger job (and guys like Business End Customs here in MA will do it for that price), you're still under 5 bills for the whole deal in 9mm or .40S&W.

Believe me, I *tried* to get the magazine to drop. When I shot the .40 S&W compact at the Smith range, I literally could not get through a single magazine without it falling out of the gun. I put 50 rounds through the gun and called it done.

I've put nearly 700 rounds through the 45 and about the same through the 9mm, and neither has dropped the magazine even once.

Matthew said...

Note that the M&P .45, like the XD, also has a .460 Rowland conversion available.

Useful (to steal a line from my favorite Boston PI) if you are ever attacked by a finback whale.

ZerCool said...

@Adam - for what it's worth, I don't like how Sigs fit my hand. At all. I don't have an M&P45 (yet), but I picked up my full-size 9mm for just under $500.

I've since added a .40c (with .357Sig and 9mm conversions) and there is no doubt in my mind that a .45 is in the works sometime.

As far as the Sig being a better-shooting gun ... you couldn't prove it by me. I can't think of ANY major-brand handgun that is inherently less accurate than the guy shooting it (namely me), so it's really a moot point.

You're welcome to your Sig - and I think they make a fine pistol - but I'll put my money in a Smith.

Adam said...

Where are you seeing the 9mm and the .40 for that low of a price? My friend just picked up a .40 from Bass Pro in Foxborough and payed almost exactly $600. Granted that Bass Pro is not where I would purchase a fire arm, but for $425 I might consider it. (I don't have anyhing in .40 and April 15 is right around the corner....)

I am still sticking with my comment that any fire arm that you MUST modify out of the box is something to pass on. It's like buying a car then having to swap the transmission immediately because it won't shift correctly.

My friend's .40 would also advance the slide when we inserted a fresh mag... IE, you empty a mag, the slide locks back. You insert a new mag, and immediately the slide advances forward and chambers a round without you hitting the slide release. I don't know if this is intended or not but I wasn't a fan. If you feel how stiff the springs are in the MA legal 10 round mags, I think that might contribute to your mag dropping issues and the slide advancing issues my friend has.

ZerCool said...

@Adam - I got my 9mm at Gander, on sale. A quick check reveals them at Buds in the sub-$500 ballpark.

"Have to modify" is pretty subjective. I'm not stuck with the MA trigger, and while the factory trigger is nothing to write home about, I don't think it's any worse than any other factory striker-fired I've tried. (Kahr, Glock, etc)

Jay G said...

Adam,

The $425 price was a sale at Four Seasons a few years back; right now they're listed at $470 for the compact 9mm or 40.

As far as going into battery when the magazine is inserted, there's a term for it that I can't remember at the moment. It's useful for defensive reloads, and remember that the M&P is being marketed heavily as a duty gun.

Personally, I don't care for it; but it's not a deal-breaker for me - I look at it in the sense that if I'm inserting a loaded magazine into the firearm, I *want* to load the chamber, too...

Adam said...

@ZerCool - On the "fit" issue, I can't argue with that. The backstrap feature on the M&P is excellent. My FN has a similar setup from the factory, though the M&P has nicer grips and doesn't require a screw driver to swap.

@Jay - I won't tell my friend... I am at the office right now and people smarter than I have determined that fire arms stores and websites are forbidden for web browsing, but I will look at 4 seasons when I get home for the full size price.

The mag thing... if you gently insert the mag till it locks in, it won't advance the slide, but if you firmly instert it with the palm of your hand it will. Disconcerting if you're not ready for it, especially with a new shooter.