Thursday, October 23, 2008

How Much Is Enough?

In the comments of my "Wish List" thread last week, commenter Wally asked
Can you expand on how you came up with your target mag quantities? Just curious about your thinkin'.

Well, any time I try to explain my thought process, my brain starts hurting, but I'll give it a whirl... ;)

Basically, I think one should have enough magazines on hand to load up 100 - 200 rounds (depending, of course, on the magazine - 40 round M1 carbine magazines are a different case than 6 round Defender magazines). Double that number (in an ideal world) for the Assault Weapon Ban scenario for redundancy's sake - the "two is one, one is none" principle. Now, granted, this is for guns that get shot regularly, of course - the WWII Luger that gets shot once every 5 years obviously doesn't need 8 magazines; the AR-15 that gets shot in competition might be best served with 15 - 20 magazines from 5- to 90 rounds.

For a semi-automatic pistol that's going to serve as a carry piece, the minimum I'd recommend is 3 magazines - one in the gun, one to carry for back-up, and a third to rotate. In this case, more is always better, especially if you're planning on a high capacity magazine that might not be legal in six months' time. Six to eight would be a good number of magazines for such a scenario, although upwards of a dozen couldn't hurt either... It depends on the gun and the magazine, IMHO - a 1911 where you can find a decent Chip McCormack magazine for $10 - $12 or a Makarov where you can find 8-round magazines for $5 each is a lot different than an HK with $40 magazines. Or I could just be cheap...

As far as ammo goes, I subscribe to the theory that says:
"The only way time you have too much ammo is if you have to carry it all".

Unless you're planning on moving it all at one time, there is no such thing as too much ammo. As we've seen in the past couple of years, ammo prices have been rising almost as much as gas prices. The more you buy NOW, the less you have to buy in a year's time when the price has gone up 2-3 more times. The absolute minimum for a safe queen, IMHO, is 100 rounds; for any firearm that you shoot regularly, 500 rounds would be a baseline level. 1,000 rounds plus all available magazines filled to capacity is better. 5,000 rounds of "common" ammo (9mm, .45 ACP, .223, .308, 7.62X39mm, etc.) is ambitious but cushions against sharp spikes in prices or temporary shortages. And .22LR? 10 - 20K rounds at a minimum of bulk ammo; 1-2K of mid-range target ammo.

The harder part, I've found, is deciding how much premium ammo to have on hand at any given time. Carry ammo for pistols or hunting ammo for rifles is significantly more expensive than FMJ target or mil-surp ammo, generally 2-4X the cost as a rule of thumb. For a box of 20 rounds of jacketed hollowpoint 9mm+P+, for example, you can expect to pay ~ $20. A box of 100 rounds of FMJ Winchester White Box (WWB) is also $20. Hunting ammo runs about the same, a 20 round box of .308 Winchester JSP might fetch $22, whereas mil-surp 7.62X51mm in bulk battle packs might only be $8/20 rounds. The upside, of course, is that you generally need a lot less of premium ammo - generally 100 rounds will be fine, provide it is rotated regularly (buy a new box and shoot the box it replaces every 3-6 months). Better if you can afford to stockpile 200 - 250 rounds, of course; ideally you'd want enough to fill every magazine you have and an additional 250 rounds. When you hit the lottery, that is...

I am well aware that handloading overcomes a lot of the expense above; however it is not for everyone (such as your humble host at present time). Revolvers, naturally, have a significant advantage over the semi-autos, as holding onto the brass is much easier and there's no extractors to gouge or otherwise mar the brass upon ejection. For the reloaders, having 1-2K bullets on hand plus enough powder and brass to assemble all into functioning ammunition would probably be a good start. I have no idea what the cost range would be in this case...

So anyways, there are my thoughts on the number of magazines and ammunition the well-stocked gunnie should possess. This is based on what I feel are good numbers, with an eye towards having more than one needs - remember, if you have too many magazines you can sell some; if you have too much ammo you can shoot it.

That is all.

6 comments:

Mike W. said...

That's why I have a few hundred rounds of 9mm +P+ Federal 9BPLE. At ~$17/50 it's a steal as far as defensive ammo is concerned. You can also get great deals on carry ammo if you're willing to buy it in bulk from somewhere like Ammoman.

I'm not up to my "goal" quantities yet, and if I see an AWB coming down the pike I'll splurge and buy some more hi-cap mags.

Anonymous said...

We're setting up our "industrial" re-loading capacity as soon as the LTCs come through. You know we're just down the road from ya and we're happy to have you over for a re-loading party any time. You can learn how to do it as well as finally doing something with all that .357 brass I know you've been hoarding.

Our big expense ammo-wise is going to be the initial rounds of .357, .223 and .40S&W for the brass. I've never been a fan of getting used brass from people I don't know and new brass is almost as expensive as new complete rounds. (It would be nice to find someone not interested in reloading who will be willing to save brass for me, but I'm not hopeful).

In general I'm of the same mind as you: There ain't no such thing as too much ammo. and that's pricey if you shoot as much as I used to. .223/556 fmjbt is going for something along the lines of $500 for 1000 rounds. We plan on 500 for the pistols and 1000 for the carbines plus probably 2000 bullets in reserve for each caliber plus primers.

We're planning on a pretty huge up-front investment, but I've never regretted money spent on firearms and ammo. I have friends who invest in guns like some people invest in stocks and gold.

As for commercial carry rounds, you really only need one box for each carry gun. If the zombies attack, you won't have to worry about getting prosecuted for using re-loaded JHPs. If they don't, hopefully you'll never need the carry rounds.

BobG said...

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition."
-Rudyard Kipling

Mike W. said...

BobG- And beer, you can never have too much good beer on hand.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I inspired something :-)

Thanks for the post Jay. I have been working on mags (and common platforms) but I am sorely lacking in ammo.

My carry guns are G32,G31,G23 in that order, and they all take the same mags. I'm working on a couple of ARs and have found screamin' deals on .223 and 9mm mags, hoping to have an ammo can full of each flavor of mags for the grandkids - or 2009.

Pontificating on Ammo - I have maybe 100-200rds of premium SD ammo for my pistols. Target/plinking is all stuff that I reload. Years ago, I tried to standardize a bit. Mostly I shoot .38sup, 9mm, and .357sig. Everything runs the same 125JHP, and almost everything is running on blue dot powder. I *only* load JHPs. If SHTF, I'm not totally worried about defense ammo that came from a factory box somewhere. At 8c/reloaded round versus 50-80c/factory round, I'll take cheap and consistent, especially when I can crank out more on a whim. In this area, it's 50 miles to the nearest store that stocks .357sig.

But here I sit on election eve with 1000 pcs of .223 and maybe 100 loaded rounds. *sigh* better get downstairs to the press. BTW Jay if you want a spin on the press to crank out some ammo, let me know.

-Wally (freakin' new post comment options are killing my browser)

Anonymous said...

The only time you have too much ammo is when y0our house is on fire.