During our trip to Boston on Tuesday, we had an incident involving BabyGirl G. She wanted to go into a particular store; we said no; she pitched a fit. Now, ordinarily, we'd just bring her out to the car and wait until she was done; however the car was many miles away. Given that it was in the teens and quite chilly with the wind blowing, letting her thrash about on the cobblestones wasn't an option either.
So I picked her up, tossed her over my shoulder, and started walking.
She's yelling, screaming, hitting me, etc. All the while, I'm looking for a place that's a) indoors and b) outside of the normal foot traffic where I can set her down until she stops crying. I carried her a total of maybe 50 feet, when a woman commented "My God, can't you see she doesn't like that? She has tears dripping down her face."
Choking back the "fuck off, you meddling douchebag", I calmly replied that it was her choice to be carried, as she had refused to walk and could not be left out in the cold or in the middle of where people were walking - both places she had chosen to stop and pitch a fit. The woman walked off in a huff, muttering what was no doubt a condemnation of the uncouth, shaved-head biker American (she had an English accent) who was brutalizing his poor little girl.
And it struck me, the hell that we parents face when we dare bring our progeny out in public.
How many times has someone complained of a dinner ruined by a screaming child? How many times do you hear the horror story of a movie spoiled by a bratty kid, or a plane flight turned into the three hour voyage to hell because of some unruly toddler? It's become a stock stereotype; the screaming kid, the parent either oblivious to it, a sniveling craven begging their pint-sized demon spawn to stop, or the appeaser promising all that and a bag of chips if the child will stop?
And yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, I understand that.
But not all of us are like that. Some of us hear that woman's reproachful tone every time we think about disciplining our kids in public. Some of us remember the horror of having the police called because we dared to swat our three year old son on the butt for kicking his sister (yes, really). We're damned if we do, damned if we don't - reprimand your child and some do-gooder wants to turn you in for child abuse; try to ride it out and some thin-skinned jackanape will cluck their tongue and complain about parents who don't control their kids.
I'll be damned if I'm going to stay home until both kids are 18 years old. If they're acting up in public, give me the benefit of the doubt for a moment. If you're going to butt in, make sure you have all the facts; otherwise, keep your piehole shut - don't assume that, because I'm a large white male with a shaved head and a goatee, that I'm automatically the posterboy for child abuse. I hate spanking my kids; it puts a knot in my back and a pit in my stomach that lingers for hours. But you see me and your oh-so-superior, can't-we-all-just-get-along mindset automatically places me in a box based on how I look.
How utterly... unenlightened of you.
Look, I'll be the first to admit that there are plenty of bad parents out there. I've had to deal with spoiled little brats who could do no wrong; I've buffed scratches out of my truck put there by the troglodytic spawn of a mouthbreather who thought an afternoon's entertainment would be throwing rocks at the other vehicles in the campground; I've walked out of restaurants because of screaming kids. But I've also been that parent, the dad utterly exhausted at the end of a long day who would love to give his smart-assed kid a whack upside the head if not for the three or four do-gooders with CPS on speed-dial who would dime him out without a second thought.
Cut us some slack, wouldja? Don't automatically pigeonhole the parents ignoring the screaming little girl - it's quite possible this is her fourth tantrum this hour, and they've simply decided to ignore her and continue on with their dinner. Don't immediately jump to the conclusion that the burly man loudly telling his kid to keep his mouth closed is some inbred child abuser - it may be that talking loudly is the only way to break the kid out of the video game trance long enough to get through to him.
What's really funny, in an odd sort of way, is that the woman who made the comment that started all this rolling had to have garnered enough clues to know I wasn't really a threat. She was a slip of a thing, with a school-aged child of her own - had she really believed I was some uncaring brute who would willingly torture a six year old girl for fun, I doubt she'd have opened her mouth. Much like the do-gooders who called the cops on me for spanking my son - if they really thought I was beating him (they admitted to the cops that they saw me spank him on the behind with an open hand), calling the police would only escalate the situation. In other words, they're not really trying to help the children; rather, they're exerting power over someone else.
No wonder the Democrats are in power now.
That is all.
Thursday, December 31, 2009
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Should have told that busybody that adults run things, not children.
I spoke with my old boss's boss last week. He enjoys telling me that, now I'm married, my life is going to go downhill and rapidly suck. He also explained that having kids sucks, as it's impossible to discipline them; all boys his son's age (13) know that if they call 911 and say they're being hurt, the parents are in for a world of trouble. It's a very weird balance of power.
And yet, having helped raise two brothers, I have to wonder how he's raising his son for that to be a real possibility. LilBro1 and LilBro2 had their hiccups, but neither of them would EVER be so brazenly disrespectful and hurtful to their families to contemplate such a thing!
Funny how different things are
from one place to another. Slap a kid here in public and people generally assume you must be one of the better parents. I can remember a rather large group of me and my former coworkers at WalMart
watching as a woman gave her child a hell of a spanking. The mother was in tears and very clearly explaining that one does not run away from mother and hide necessitating a store wide search. She finished, hugged the crying little girl and left. Not a one of us felt it was unjustified, and more than one commented how they would have got the same for that little stunt, me included.
"During our trip to Boston"
That says it all right there, brother.
Bravo for thinking of taking your girl out to the car. Even though eating in the lounge / bar area of a restaurant lacks the intimacy of a booth or table, my fiance and I have mutually agreed to avoid the main dining areas after have one to many meals ruined by screaming kids.
Reason does not work with moonbat biddys.
On the other hand your daughter will thank you when she grows up to be a reasonable, responsible, self-behaved lady.
The more I read your blog, the happier I am that I chose Florida as my home state. Yes, we have a version of CPS, and yes, you can end up with them called on you, but it's usually when you're actually beating a kid. I've never had any problem with giving my kid a swat on the bottom in public here.
Hmm... relatively relaxed gun laws, able to ride a motorcycle almost all year 'round, and now the whole kid thing... why aren't you moving here again?
I always get a chuckle over the parents I run across in the super markets that can't (or won't) control their kids. I often take my 5 y.o. and 2.5 y.o. to the market alone, and have had to put up with their antics. But I never hesitate to put them in their place when they need it... I also make sure I give an encouraging nod to those other parents that are working to "educate" their progeny in socially acceptable behavior. Taking the kids out is essential to their development.
Sorry to hear about your run-in, but glad to hear about a caring parent!
It's the playground bully, female (Queen Bee) version. She never would have said anything if there hadn't been a crowd around.
Passive-aggressive ambush attack. Hell with her.
My reply to all this sort of stuff is "Odd, I missed the part where it was any of your business." Fortunately, it doesn't come up much.
Just wait until the eco-tards extend this to energy use. <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/29/ecospy-vs-ecospy/>Better not leave your porch light on</a>.
Three cheers for you Jay. Sorry you live in a commie state.
Your children will thank you when they grow up. Keep it up.
See Ya
On several occassions I was taken out of a restaurant or theater because my behavior was both unacceptable and disturbing to others. Both the parent hauling my butt out and I missed whatever was going on inside, but that was a) part of parental responsibility and b) part of the learning process.
I employed the same techniques raising my own child. As an adult she has her problems, but AFAIK public displays of unacceptable behavior are not among them.
On one occassion I (quietly, politely and privately) offered parents $50 cash to take themselves and their 2 obviously over-exhausted kids to the sidewalk tables as they were disturbing me. All that happened was the kids got an earful of "Now look what you have done!", at which point I went back and loudly told them what poor excuses they wre for parents by getting their kids over-exhausted and for being idiots for turning down $50 cold cash if they took their kids outside.
As they huffed their way out they were accompanied by chants from the other diners, who were waving various denominations at them. I had several offers to pay for my meal, which I declined.
Had I encountered Mrs. Brit-Accent I'm seriously afraid that my response would have been to thrust BabyG into her arms and loudly say something about leting Mary Poppins fix it then.
Good for you! Keep on being a good Pappa!
stay safe.
WV = ratera: like eratta, only more bustbody-like.
It's called "assumption of moral superiority", and it's ALWAYS about the commenters ego, not about your actions.
This inspired me to write a little parenting post.
That reminds me of the time when my son was younger. He started throwing a fit inside a restaurant and all attempts at reason failed. So I picked him up and carried him under my right arm, him screaming the whole way, out to the car so we could leave and go home. We were followed by no less than four patrons, and two restaurant employees. One helpful citizen wrote down our license number and another called the cops. We got the kids in their seats and strapped in and left. I never did hear from the cops. Apparently, and I hope this is what happened, the cops figured out that no crime had been committed and told the helpful citizens to go mind their own business. We never did business with that restaurant again.
Lissa, when any of my girls threatened me with calling the cops, I yelled back, "Go ahead...they'll just take you away from me, split you up and put you in foster care...I call that a VACATION!"
Needless to say, they never did dial 911.
Good for you, Jay! I've dragged my kids out of restaurants on many an occasion...thankfully they're past that stage now.
When my youngest daughter was almost 3 I took her to the grocery store one day. Halfway through shopping she suddenly twisted in the cart, grabbed a box of crackers flung it out of the cart. I turned her around, got into her face and told her NO as firmly as possible. Then turned to pick up the crackers. As I bent over the loaf of bread landed on the floor next to me, and as I stood back up a can of tuna.
I spun around in time to snatch another can of tuna out of her hand and repeat the NO! She immediately ignored me and grabbed the other loaf of bread. I snatched it out of her hand and repeated the NO! again, this time much louder. When she grabbed a box of cake mix I snatched it out of her hand, grabbed her hand, slapped it, and repeated NO! again.
At this point a woman who had been watching this whole thing unloaded on me. Ranting and raving about child cruelty, about me being a brute, a criminal, blah, blah, blah, on and on.
I stood there holding my daughter's hands for a moment waiting for the ranting bitch to inhale. When she didn't I calmly picked my daughter up, kissed her on the cheek and set her down in the grocery section of the ranting bitch's shopping cart.
Then I stepped back and watched the groceries fly. Pickles - crash, ketchup - smash, bread - bounced (into the pickle juice), eggs - smash (wow, eggs are cool when they fly) jelly - sploosh, etc.
The woman started screaming and waving her arms in the air, then yelling for help. She tried to catch the second carton of eggs, she missed. She was dancing in place and undecided whether to try and catch things or continue yelling at my daughter "OH MY GOD STOP IT. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
Finally she took a step towards the cart and reached towards my daughter. That is point where I yelled "Lady, don't you dare touch my kid!"
(I can yell really loud!)
She stopped and turned to look at me. Crash - Mayonnaise! We stared at each other for a moment while a bag of rolls bounced between us.(Very anticlimactic!) She was just starting to turn back to my daughter and I was reaching for the back of her scrawny neck when the manager of the store ran up, grabbed my arm and pleaded "Will you please stop her?"
I assumed that he meant my daughter, so I pushed the busy-body out of the way, grabbed the package of Oreos out of daughter hands (she had stopped throwing and was trying to figure out how to open) and picked my daughter up out of the cart.
I settled her onto my arm, then started doing the mental arithmetic trying to calculate what this shopping trip was going to cost me for groceries that we would not be able to take home with us.
There was several discussions with the manager, who remained fairly calm, and gave me a very curious look, when I ended my description of what had happened and volunteered to pay for the destroyed groceries.
The busy body and I were seperated to wait while the manager who had a private discussion with a clerk who had seen the whole exchange, and an other employee who came downstairs from the elevated observation area in the front of the store. Eventually the busy body was escorted from the store without her groceries. She was not happy, and apparently encouraged to shop elsewhere. The mess was cleaned up by a young kid who kept giggling to himself. I paid for only groceries in my cart, the manager thanked me for offering to pay for the broken stuff but assured me it wasn't necessary. The clerk who witnessed the whole event gave my daughter a lollipop as we checked out. The baker stopped us on the way out of the store and gave my daughter a free cookie.
Amazingly, this was, according to my dear wife the first time my daughter had every done anything like that. It was also the last, she never did it again. She started once, but I started with the hand slap this time and she stopped immediately.
I dunno, the statement "fuck off, you meddling douchebag" works for me. Clear, concise, and to the point.
Before Wife and I found each other, her oldest, about 3 years old at the time, thew a fit in a store. As she was applying corporal punishment in the form of 3 swats to his fourth point of contact, Mr. Grundy walked up and said "Isn't that rather extreme?".
Wife finished her swatting, looked him directly in the eye and said "If you've got something to say about it, you can be next". Nosy bastard turned on his heels and unassed the area.
I knew when I heard that story we'd get along just fine.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Jay, Hang in there dad. Been a dad for 40+ years and Foster Care/juvenile justice with the state of michigan for over 22 years. It's a damn shame people don't know or value the difference between discipline and abuse. Have worked with folk who believed "there is no excuse to strike a child" Typically they dont have kids or their kids are unruly little snots.
Be careful around these morons. Parenting is the toughest job in the world and the job we are least prepared for.
Joe Mc
Having gotten more than one visit from social services [sic] over our "torture and abuse" of our son, you have my sympathies.
My son is retarded that his grand-mal hissy fits are not going to end with kind words or bribes. He needs to be physically restrained or he hurts himself or breaks things.
There's lots of ways to do so that don't hurt him and don't allow him to hurt us. They look brutal from a distance.
Jay,
What ruins my dinner is having to listen to some kids dvd player while im eating, in a $15-$20 an entree place, because the parents can't be bothered to interact with their child.
wv: oodeor it makes my nose krinkle
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