Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Tough Question...

A large number of bloggers out there have made mention of the kerfluffle in DC wherein several hundred SEIU thugs stormed the private residence of a Bank of America executive, shouting slogans and otherwise trampling all over a man's castle in some bizarre attempt at intimidation. He wasn't home; only his fourteen year old son was there to witness the mob assault on his family's home.

Now, granted, this was Washington DC where it's highly unlikely that a private residence would have a personal firearm - perhaps that's why the protestors were so bold. Try a stunt like that in, say, neighboring Virginia, and they'd be very likely to have taken fire for such an assault. Look at the videos. Check out the pictures. There was some 500 angry people shouting at this house in some kafka-esque display of impotent rage; this could very easily have turned very ugly.

The media has, once again, been eerily silent on this; only the fact that a journalist lives across the street from the residence in question resulted in coverage. Nina Easton happened to be home at the time and witnessed the thuggery live and direct; who can say if we would even know this happened - save through the SEIU filter - had she not captured the event for posterity. No wonder Ă˜bama doesn't like the rise of iPods and blogs...

It raises a fundamental question, though, for those of us in the 2A community. At what point in a protest such as this are within our rights to light these bastards up? Most states will prosecute the use of deadly force if employed to stop property damage/theft; however it's an easy argument that an angry mob constitutes far more than a threat to one's property. I've got a son not much younger than the young man in that house; if I were to arrive at my home to find a mob outside frightening the bejeezus out of him, very bad things would happen.

This is a frightening series of events on many levels. It represents true democracy - mob rule - in that this group of goons made a concerted effort to intimidate, harass, and otherwise physically threaten someone simply on the basis of the job they perform. It's a chilling glimpse into the future where a protected class - in this case a labor union - is allowed unchecked aggression simply because they agree with the cause. There are reports that DC police accompanied the protestors - if that is the case, every single officer who was there, along with the supervisors who authorized it, should be fired and prosecuted for aiding and abetting criminal action (trespass, at the very least).

If this is the direction they choose, it will lead to bloodshed. At some point there will be another "protest" like this one where someone panics and cranks some 00 buck into the crowd. Or maybe they'll just pick the wrong house and wind up on the receiving end of 30 rounds of .223 Remington. Hell, maybe they'll get real stupid, protest Dick Cheney's house, and wind up full of birdshot... I cannot see this sort of tactic going unchallenged. Not in the America I know, where people take a dim view indeed of mobs storming private houses.

"Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here"

That is all.

25 comments:

Weer'd Beard said...

Because of the sheer numbers, and open hostility, any intimate contact I would easily justify as a "Deadly Threat" Even 100 malnourished teenage band-geeks (I still chuckle that I lied on my Driver's license about my weight. I said I weighed MORE than I actually did!)can beat a grown man to death.

I would lock all doors, possibly holler that any trespass would be deemed a deadly threat out an upstairs window. Then I'd batton down the hatches, and gather up all the guns and ammo I can ready, arm up all persons capable of shouldering an arm, and call 911 and leave the phone connected.

If they just want to fuck up my lawn and break my windows, that totally sucks, but that's what insurance and lawsuits are for. If they enter my residence I will assume they are coming to kill me and act accordingly.

Lokidude said...

My direct quote to Bex:

"Something like that happens here, and they touch the house, you know where the shotgun is. I best hear that at least five died." Minor hyperbole, but in a crowd like that, breaking windows, beating doors, etc., is a clear attempt at unlawful entry. Where I'm from such manner of entry is justification for lethal force.

bluesun said...

I've met some people in MT where, if this happened, there would be no media coverage because the protesters would be buried in the back 40 inside of half an hour. Of course, this whole situation would never happen out there...

scotaku said...

JayG, I believe that the incident happened in MD, but that the SEIU folk were escorted there by D.C. police... I'll have to doublecheck. If my recollection is correct, though, that adds another series of levels to how wrong this whole thing was.

B said...

BROWNSHIRTS

http://middleoftheright.blogspot.com/2010/05/parallels.html

Anonymous said...

To be legal to open up in Florida you just have to be in fear for your life or grievous bodily injury. 500 people screaming on the front lawn would qualify.

It's also legal to open up on someone who's offering threats of death or injury to a third party.

I have a friend who's father was whipped (for being Black) who says that if they'd had these laws in the '60s he'd have been spared a whipping.

Lissa said...

I believe the police are now disputing stories back and forth, whether DCPD gave Maryland a heads-up, who escorted them (or not), etc. I haven't seen a crystal clear story emerge there.

I agree with Weer'd in that I'd probably treat my front door as the point-of-no-return. That being said, there were good historical reasons for clear fields of fire around a house. Be a bummer if some of the mob got slap-happy with lighter fluid on your back porch.

Lissa said...

Oh whoops -- And thanks for the linky-love!

Borepatch said...

Scotaku is correct: this was in Montgomery County, MD, not DC. I used to live in Montgomery County, and while MD is not strong at all on gun rights, this really applies more to CCW. It was very possible to have a gun in the house.

FYI, New Jovian Thunderbolt lives near there (maybe even in Montgomery County; certainly in MD), and he might know better how hard it is to have a shotgun in the house today.

However, I'd be very surprised indeed if it were wildly difficult.

I'm with Weer'd - I'd think that lighting up someone out on your lawn is a good way to get some quality time with the local Po Po. OTOH, a mob breaking into your house is a different story, especially if it's a 14 year old home alone.

Blackwing1 said...

Curiously enough they can't even be charged with illegal trespass, since someone has to tell them to get the heck off the property. The owner of the house apparently requested a MD police presence, was refused, and had to walk through the mob to get to his front door. Which he did without being overtly threatened.

The DC police acknowledge that they were present, but not "escorting" the mob, only "shadowing" them. A distinction without a difference, in my estimation. They also notified the MD police, who apparently did absolutely nothing.

My personal response is much the same as Weer'd's...the mob can destroy as much outside the house as they want before the cops get there, but a forcible entry is prima facie evidence of harmful intent, and with that many people, I'd say a jury will agree that the fictional "reasonable person" would feel that they were in imminent danger of death or grave bodily injury, that no lesser force would stop the threat, that the occupant was a reluctant participant, and that there was no practical retreat (the 4 easily popped balloons of self-defense).

Anonymous said...

You folks have said it all.
Walk though my front door, windows, however the hell you break into my house.
You will be carried out.
Dead.
Both my boyz shoot very well.
Both handle weapons very well.
Both be great backup fo rme!

Robert McDonald said...

I hope someone has the good sense to get a list of everyone who was involved with this 'protest' and prosecute them for trespassing and willful destruction of property, and then prosecute the organizers (and whoever paid for and escorted the buses) with inciting a crowd to riot.

This keeps up, someone is going to get killed.

Line up in front of my home on the country right of way, or in the damned street (so long as you aren't holding up traffic) and you can protest all day long. Cross onto my property and you become a criminal and will be treated accordingly.

Robert McDonald said...

county*

Borepatch said...

Jay, I blame you for another 500 word essay.

;-)

Oh, and this is interesting, too. As Insty likes to say, the trouble with this crowd is that they don't stay bought.

SpeakerTweaker said...

Well, first there's the trespassing issue. In the great and wonderful state of Texas, the rules regarding private property are pretty cut and dry. You can't be on someone's property if'n they don't want you there. Period.

Secondly, the word "brandishing" does not appear in the Texas Penal Code, so when I go outside to warn the trespassers to leave my property (a.k.a. Step 1), I will be doing so with a pistol on one side, a magazine on the other, and a long gun slung if not in hand.

Lastly (hopefully, anyway), if I call the police and am told that any arrests will likely incite the "protesters", I will most definitely be telling the individual on the phone that I am armed, and will be confronting this dangerous mob as such. One way or the other, the police will make an appearance.

I do not want to shoot people, but I most certainly will defend my home and family from a mob. I will not immediately open fire on a crowd, but I will notwait for the mob to go rodeo before I take action.

NOW. If I come home and find this mob on my property and the only person home is The Little Girl? Well, my Toyota Tundra's accelerator may just get "stuck"...



tweaker

Wally said...

Yesterday evening, I was on the roof of the house with a supressed AR. Just for kicks engaging targets around the property. THEN I read this story and didn't feel quite so insane.

Zombie plan - must include hordes!

Lokidude said...

Bluesun, same here in Wyoming. Folks cause that kind of trouble might just disappear. Course, sheriff out here is a fan of keeping the peace, and he doesn't take kindly to troublemakers, and neither does most anybody else.

TOTWTYTR said...

I think that the mob, protesters, union thugs, call them what you will did this because they knew that they could get away with it. If their target lived in a state with rational self defense laws, then they'd have gone on to another target.

This is pretty despicable behavior.

Oh, other articles I've read report that the SEIU owes over 100 Million dollars to Bank of America. Just coincidence it's Bank of America they're protesting, I'm sure.

Weer'd Beard said...

Wally you're my fucking hero!

Stretch said...

Following based on reports from local D.C. radio stations:
SA.. er ... SEIU numbered between 240 to 500. Dealers choice on that one. Arrived on buses escorted by at least 3 Washington Metropolitan PD (MPD) vehicles. Buses had been filled at a staging area inside DC.
Montgomery Co. PD (MCPD) says they were not informed of MPD's intent to cross boundary or of motorcade.
MCPD responded to 14 year old's 911 call. Reports vary as to initial MCPD officer's action. Some say officer saw/talked with MPD officers and left. Others say he pulled back to corner and called for backup. All agree that the father had to walk through crowd WITHOUT police assistance.
Montgomery County is the most liberal of all counties surrounding DC.
Montgomery County Supervisor has asked for a 4 man police detail due to "death threats."
Clearly the rules are for the little people.
Me? I've just placed another ammo order.

Steve said...

The (not so) funny thing is that they pulled this same stunt last fall in front of the AIG exec's homes in I think CT and NY. Good luck in Mass Jay G. with Coakley, Leone, Blodget, et all. At last check, in NH, a bill was passed to firm up our no duty to retreat, not quite castle doctrine, statute to cover curtilage and basically any place you're allowed to be. Plus ay least in my town and the surrounding area the local po po, and sheriff wouldn't put up with SEIU's shit. Sadly, I think the statie's are in SEIU by way of the NH . gov union.

Old NFO said...

Not quite correct Jay, actually the DC police ESCORTED the SEIU buses to MARYLAND to the exec's house. WITHOUT telling MD State Police or anyone else they were doing it...

Jay G said...

What, you think Marsha "We discourage self help" Coakley would take a dim view of me hacking my way through protesters with a machete?

I'm guessing a belt-fed is right out...

Michael W. said...

After the smoke clears there should be two phrases that should be repeated over and over again.

"I was in fear of my life" and "I would like to talk to my lawyer"

NOTHING MORE.............

Ross said...

The first phrase that would be uttered would be "Get off my lawn".