LAKEBAY, Wash. – An attempted invasion robbery at a home on Key Peninsula that housed a large marijuana grow operation turned into a gun battle between the owner and the robbers Thursday night. One robber is dead, at least two other people are wounded and as many as four people may be on the run in the neighborhood.You know, it's one thing to add a Dead Goblin to the count if the homeowner had a little Peruvian marching flake on the nightstand. It's another thing entirely to add it to the count if the home invaded was actually the sight of a full-blown illegal drug operation. Now, I'm as pro-legalization as the next guy, but it's currently illegal, and part of the risk of running the operation involves dealing with "hostile takeovers" - so I'm inclined to treat this as more of a failed merger than an actual dead goblin...
What say you? Should this count on the DGC?
That is all.
Story sent by correspondent PISSED, who quips "don't try and take a hippies pot..."
18 comments:
since they are all bad guys do they all count toward the DG count if they die???
I would scratch it off the list because, as you point out, it fails the "Must be an unwilling participant" part of Deadly Force.
To paraphrase Hans Gruber:
When you have 6 oz of weed in your sock drawer you can simply disappear; when you have 600 million, they WILL rob you, unless they think you're already dead.
Tee hee..."hostile takeovers"
I say it doesn't count.
Classic DGC stories need a heartwarming tale that includes something like "...and then Our Hero saved the day by..."
My ruling: Absent a constitutional-right-believing Hero, the story is simply too muddy to rise to DGC standards.
Illegal <> wrong.
Anyone who was doing something wrong can be added to the DGC. Anyone not doing anything *wrong* shouldn't be added. Were the people in the house doing anything wrong?
What? Goblins only steal legit items? Stealing is stealing in my book, whether you're stealing Grandma's heirloom vase from the fireplace mantel or the Necronomicon.
Tough call. I'm tempted to say casualties on both sides count. On the other hand, if you're using the DGC as an ad for lawful ownership, then don't count them.
Makes me think of when I was dating a very liberal girl who lived in Boston a few years back. There was a shooting down the street from her where someone died. My first question was whether the victim was a citizen or a goblin. She couldn't seem to understand why that mattered. That relationship didn't last very long. :P
If it was clear that a person successfully defended his home from a robbery attempt, and this person just happened to be a criminal himself, I would count it.
If there's reasonable suspicion that the shooting may have been part of "business negotiations" between criminals - definitely doesn't count.
The robbers were goblins, no matter whether they were after the homeowners' weed, or their Wii.
And now they're dead goblins. Count 'em.
I would also add them to the count as casualties in the gooberment's War On Some Prohibited Stuff.
Robbers are robbers no matter whom they robbed. Count it.
FWIW, I think the original owner of the Dead Goblin Count, Kim du Toit, had a hard-and-fast rule that the goblin-killer had to be an otherwise innocent individual who killed in defense of self or others.
This story sounds to me like a drug war, goblin vs. goblin. Under KdT's rules, I would not include it.
Totally count it.
If someone breaks in, you aren't planning to stop and ask them why they are there, are you?
It's still a potentially life and death situation when there are intruders, no matter if you do have a still in the basement.
After watching the news clip (Great 2A promo by one of the neighbors, BTW!), I say NO. One of the Invaders was one of the Sons of the Dealer, so it looks like this was a "Prince" trying to dethrone the "King". Crook on Crook Crime, IOW.
Was there a goblin (yes). Is it dead (yes). I fail to see the problem. I don't care if they are killed by each other, a law abiding homeowner, or a cop, just so long as they are dead.
Dorothy B
We've got to bet back to fundamentals.
1. He was a goblin.
2. He'd dead.
My intent for the Dead Goblin count is to illustrate the number of times that law-abiding citizens use firearms to successfully defend themselves.
I chose the threshhold to be "dead" because I'm a cold hearted bastard... ;)
I think I'll leave this one off - criminals killing other criminals shouldn't be in the same category as law-abiding citizens killing criminals - otherwise I'd have to add to the count every time a gangbanger dies in a drive-by...
Dead goblin is a dead goblin, Win-Win a drug op is busted too. Take em where we can get em.
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